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 Post subject: AU SUMP MOD FOR EF-EL
Posted: Sun Jun 21, 2009 11:29 pm 
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Close Pictures and how to mod an AU sump to Fit EF/EL

Just by looking at the pictures, you can tell where to cut the sump,
pretty much from the top of the 'V' under the collar to the FIRST main casting rib.



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Weld the inside as well, this helps the oil flow and seals the sump nicely.

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 Post subject: Re: AU SUMP MOD FOR E-SERIES
Posted: Sun Jun 21, 2009 11:30 pm 
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Fold the Oil baffle over leaving enough space for oil to slide down the front.
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Flatten the baffle mounting towers and drill/tap threads for re installation.
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dummy fit the baffle, and when ready bolt down with some nice stainless hex bolts, with loctite 262
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When done, It should look like this
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On the downside, you loose around 250ml oil capacity, However its not enough to really worry about.

By modding the sump you don't risk any structural part of the car ie: K-frame and you don't need an engineers certificate.


 

 

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 Post subject: Re: AU SUMP MOD FOR E-SERIES
Posted: Sun Jun 21, 2009 11:53 pm 
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Thats some nice work right there! :)

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 Post subject: Re: AU SUMP MOD FOR E-SERIES
Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 11:12 am 
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Nice work Krytox, after reading that it makes it seem much easier than i thought it would be. A lot easier than stuffing around with cutting and welding the k frame and then getting a cert later on. I'll remember this if i ever need to chuck an AU bottom end into my EF :)

 

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 Post subject: Re: AU SUMP MOD FOR E-SERIES
Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 2:50 pm 
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couple of questiions.....how did u cut the sump?
how thick is the plate u welded on
where can i get a piece of plate from?

 

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Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 1:51 am 
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Neat job dude

Did u really have to chop that much of the sump???

How much clearance does it have now from the K frame???

 

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 Post subject: Re: AU SUMP MOD FOR E-SERIES
Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 10:16 pm 
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Bit late, but here's the go.

I used 6mm Alloy Plate.

The sump really did need that much cut off,
The pictures look like there's a bit of a gap, but its pretty much just a fingers width.... well mine anyways.

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Here's a Picture of how to manipulate the Synchronizer to fit with its bracket 180degrees.
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You need to cut off around 12mm from the Air-Con Pump spacers as the AU motor has raised mountings on the Block.
So a finishing size of 31mm is perfect.

Its also Easier to Install a AU Alternator rather than cut all the brackets to fit an EF one.

Use the AU Knock Sensor, Remove the plastic plug from the wires and retreive the stainless steel contact. This will plug into the existing EF plug then tape it or Heat shrink it.



 

 

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gogetta wrote:
couple of questiions.....how did u cut the sump?

Machine Shop Bandsaw.

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6mm

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If your keen, Print up the Pictures and take the sump to a Fabricator and they 'should' be able to do it for you.

If they cant, never go back there again, they're useless.

I'd expect around to pay around $100-150 to do it.

 

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 Post subject: Re: AU SUMP MOD FOR E-SERIES
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hey krytox looking at doin a au conversion and have got a questions.
sory if the question sound stupid but im stil learning :)

1. (Flatten the baffle mounting towers and drill/tap threads for re installation) i dont understand :?
2. will my knock sensor off my ef fit or even work with the au engine setup?

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Very nice work dude, i think this needs to be made into a tech doc pdf file!

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 Post subject: Re: AU SUMP MOD FOR E-SERIES
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if doing an AU conversion but using the log manifold can i just bolt that straight on but have to use and XH tensioner and change my auxiliary shaft to the EA one so i can use the dizzy

 

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if doing an AU conversion but using the log manifold can i just bolt that straight on but have to use and XH tensioner and change my auxiliary shaft to the EA one so i can use the dizzy


the log goes straight on..all you have to do is mount the ea aircon bracket to the au block and bolt an el aircon compressor to the ea bracket, this will drop the pump down enough to clear the log manifold then use the xh tensioner..

you dont need to change the aux shaft, but i would use the small gear from the au oil pump drive and fit it to your dizzy.
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Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 9:25 am 
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IIRC it was posted on here that the EF and AU knock sensors had a different signal type ??
Or have I got it wrong ??

BTW, Nice work Andrew.

 

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 Post subject: Re: AU SUMP MOD FOR E-SERIES
Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 9:29 am 
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snap0964 wrote:
IIRC it was posted on here that the EF and AU knock sensors had a different signal type ??
Or have I got it wrong ??

BTW, Nice work Andrew.


afaik they are compatable... i had the au knock sensor wired up to the el ecu and i never got a fault code but i cant confirm if or how well it worked...
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I swapped the plugs on my EF so I could use the AU sensor, no issues.

 

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