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You said it your self turbo pistons. Turbo pistons have a larger dish. That's what calculating your compression ratio is all about. It depends on what fuel you want to run & how much has been taken off the head. Also what head gasket, genuine AU style steel gaskets are thinner [3 layer] but you can get 4 layer steel from Permaseal. Regards TPVM.
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jamie22_cole wrote: so EL block with EF crack is the way to go with ACL gear? No EL anything lol. |
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You sure BA bottom ends will go into EF-EL?
Copy and paste from Boostedfalcon. "For AU bottom ends F6/Egas conrods yes, pistons no. Different valve reliefs. If you want to use AU onward conrods in pre-AU blocks you need an AU crank. Different pin heights. Unless you want to make 11ty HP then I'd stick with pre-AU motors. Get an ACL race series kit and get a block machined to suit. Can probably reuse most of your s**t if its in good nick. Even a non-race series kit will probably be fine under 500HP. If you want to go all out- AU motor, can use forged conrods to suit a DOHC. Will need to get a forged piston made as the AU motors all had high compression and none of the DOHC pistons suit SOHC."
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You can get the valve reliefs machined in to BA pistons, forgot that bit. Regards TPVM.
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how about this bottom end?
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Michael (HYPOEB) wrote: sams_missen1604 wrote: Michael (HYPOEB) wrote: AU motor will be alot smoother. Will be better for NA. Wouldnt use a AU motor for boost though since they have longer rods then EA-EL although there are ways of lowering compression... Nar im not talking about lowering the compression. Longer rods = Weaker A EL bottom end will hold alot more power then a AU bottom end. Also AU rods are the same length as BA-FG but there not as strong.. Longer does not mean weaker. AU rods are weaker then EL rods as the late ED to EL rods are a forged steel rod and have a larger cross section in the beam. AU to BF (not sure on FG yet) have powdered metal rods. E-gas rods were upgraded in the BA2, Typhoon rods were for a while the same part number as the first E-gas upgrade. The typhoon then got an other upgrade which was then handed down the E-gas. After that i don't as i stopped looking. all that being said there are a number of stock AU bottom ends dealing with 300+ rwkw. Boost and power very rarely break a rod. To many revs and poor tunes breaks rods. keep the revs sane and a good tune will have the 'weak' engine living for years. |
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This is a pic of an AUII rod.
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Michael (HYPOEB) wrote: You sure BA bottom ends will go into EF-EL? Copy and paste from Boostedfalcon. "For AU bottom ends F6/Egas conrods yes, pistons no. Different valve reliefs. If you want to use AU onward conrods in pre-AU blocks you need an AU crank. Different pin heights. Unless you want to make 11ty HP then I'd stick with pre-AU motors. Get an ACL race series kit and get a block machined to suit. Can probably reuse most of your s**t if its in good nick. Even a non-race series kit will probably be fine under 500HP. If you want to go all out- AU motor, can use forged conrods to suit a DOHC. Will need to get a forged piston made as the AU motors all had high compression and none of the DOHC pistons suit SOHC." who ever said that is an idiot. The big end journal has been the same for years. hell its the same big end journal size that the 250 2V engine had. it the same as the 200 and the 250 cross flow. here's an EF rod next to an XF 250 rod. EF on the left  what changed from EL to AU was the MAIN bearing journal. the AU crank WILL NOT fit any pre AU engines. all you need to do is the matching rods and pistons. the longer 6.060inch rod needs to be fitted with the shorter pistons. DOHC pistons can have valve reliefs machined in the correct places. Have at CJH build thread, he is using BA e-gas dome top pistons in a SOHC engine, he also has pics of how he machined the pistons to fit. Spool are now doing a h-beam 5.88inch to suit the SOHC engine for $695. Shouldn't be long and they offer a forged piston to suit. My pick though would be the spool I-beam rod and nice light piston. |
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Here's the difference between an EF and BA piston...they have the same gudgeon pin size.
The BA piston is on the left.
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This is a modified BA LPG piston next to an EF std piston.
I machined them myself....yet to put engine together...dummy it up to check clearances.
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The Rod journal size goes right back to XM. It was my boss at the time [Peter Orger of Orger Engines] who suggested to Ford to use the lpg rod in the Turbo Motor, as the Turbo's where bending rods if they miss fired. Orger Engines did then & still do Ford Australia warranty rebuilds. Regards TPVM.
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cjh wrote: This is a pic of an AUII rod. I received my BF turbo rods and pistons today (Ebay) and was surprised to see 1R23AA stamped on the rods. The picture says they are AUII's have I been dudded?
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Who'd you buy them from?
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From a guy up your way actually.
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i could be wrong here, but aint the au and ba/bf rods tha same???
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