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Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 9:06 pm 
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so its basicly just an ethonol mix...

thats stuff aint getting anywhere near my tank
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Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 9:39 pm 
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Which shell did you get it from. I am willing to travel to the shire to get a tank if it is good as you say. I will be keen to give it a run, and could use the extra octane as a safety barrier for the current setup
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Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 9:55 pm 
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yucky!!! ethonol. That s**t has never been in my tank and never will!

 

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Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 10:50 pm 
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Sierra wrote:
It's not as easy to get AVGAS nowadays .... used to be you just rocked up to your local airfield and fill up your jerry cans.
Now you need to sign a Stat Dec saying the AVGAS you purchase will not be used on the road! :cry:

Gotta say ... nothing beats the smell of burnt AVGAS though .... :lol:


You can do what some of my friends did one night. They drained a C172. I don't know what they hold full because I've never flown one, but my mates got 20L in each of their cars and there was 3 of them :lol:
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Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2005 3:23 am 
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TerroristGHIA wrote:
Shugg,
Which shell did you get it from. I am willing to travel to the shire to get a tank if it is good as you say. I will be keen to give it a run, and could use the extra octane as a safety barrier for the current setup
Brett


G'day Brett,

I noticed a slight difference with acceleration, smoother through the RPM range. Mind you, its probably because I run a high comp engine.

I got it from the Shell on the corner of the Boulevard and Princes Hway, between Miranda and Sutherland.

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Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2005 10:09 am 
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Don't the V8 Supercar guys use 100 octane?


nope they use shell optimax

straight from the pump basically :)

a HUGE a** batch is made at the beginnign of the season and all the cars use fuel from this

 

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Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2005 10:40 am 
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Dang, we don't even get any 98 RON down hre - best we get is Vortex 96!

98 RON is about 3 weeks away - if they stay on track for it. should see it appearing at Caltex Moonah, not sure where else yet.

 

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Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2005 10:47 am 
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Thanks mate, will drop out over the weekend and top up, will let yuou know how it goes
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Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2005 11:22 am 
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i heard last night when i filled up, that ultimate is back in production and will be back up for grabs in a little over a week.

 

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Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2005 12:02 pm 
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... says the Shell sponsored man.

yes you beat me to it ... he has to say that to get a new shell sponsored falcon for the rest of his life!

 

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Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2005 12:41 pm 
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Sierra wrote:
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fyi, 100+ avgas was sold by mobil some years ago, to dump a bad batch of plane fuel to the unsuspecting public.
It was high octain but stuffed up many a car (and mobil fixed the rich boys toys).

cheers, itchione

Make that 100/130 avgas and no, it wasn't sold to the public as straight AVGAS. If it did mke it to petrol pumps, it was maxed with the fuel. Some lucky members in the public got their hands on straight AVGAS but many of them then promptly get their fuel systems cleaned.


I would imagine if any oil company sold AVGAS to the public they would be exposing themselves to procecution as it is a leaded fuel and illegal for road use.

It's not as easy to get AVGAS nowadays .... used to be you just rocked up to your local airfield and fill up your jerry cans.
Now you need to sign a Stat Dec saying the AVGAS you purchase will not be used on the road! :cry:

Gotta say ... nothing beats the smell of burnt AVGAS though .... :lol:

mobil did sell a batch of the 'bad avgas' to the car public.
maybe they did some re-processing of the fuel to make it catalytic friendly but i don't know.
this possibly reprocessed 'bad avgas' sold for road vehicle use and had the same clogging problem as the original 'bad avgas' batch.
to avoid prosecution or image problems from the car buying public, mobil did repair a large number of posh cars after distributing this bad fuel.

really, oil companies can and often exhibit dodgie behaviour so i wouldnt put much past them.

until there are laws that clearly define what petrol IS, we can be sold almost anything and it could be called petrol.
we also need accurate labling laws (and enforcement of these laws) for pertol composition and ron ratings at the pump.
give me a lable that says 98RON, 5% ethanol, 95% petrol (as should be defined in legislation and i would be happier).
much much happier if a 3rd party also frequently checks pump accuracy.

calling a fuel 'ultimate', 'optimax' or whatever is just a marketing thing, the fuel could contain almost anything (good or bad).

As for illegality of avgas in road vehicles, i can't see why it would be illegal on a pre catalytic (leaded) vehicle.

Last time i bought avgas was 10 years ago and for use in a 250cc supercart, went like a scalded cat and yes, smelt great :)

cheers, itchione
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Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2005 9:37 pm 
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ItchiOne wrote:

As for illegality of avgas in road vehicles, i can't see why it would be illegal on a pre catalytic (leaded) vehicle.

cheers, itchione


I'm guessing it would be illegal since leaded fuels have been phased out altogether and no longer sold to the public.
Please correct me if I'm wrong here.

However last year when I bought some AVGAS I had to sign a Statutory Declaration from the Police saying that I would not be using it for road use.
The airfield would not sell me any without this Stat Dec.

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Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2005 12:32 pm 
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What's avgas worth when you can get hold of it ?

Brett, check out this PDF, it lists all the servos that have the juice
(not that a drive out to the shire isn't nice :P )

http://www-static.shell.com/static/au-e ... xtreme.pdf

 

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Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2005 4:52 pm 
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I whacked in $50 worth of optimax extreme yesterday and as expected there was no perceivable difference. I'm running 12.5:1 compression so if anyone was going to benefit it'd be in an engine such as mine. I think any slight gain that may have been there from the extra octane was masked by the fact that the car was now lugging around 40kg of extra weight.

I did notice 2 things, the exhaust smelled differently, it had a sweeter smell than usual - presumably the alcohol and it also had more of a burbley backfire, although that could have been from the ECU playing with the fuel and timing maps because the car was running hot (coolant temp at 99 degrees)

 

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Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2005 5:50 pm 
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Jay,

See what Km's you get out of it. I got an extra 50km's out of mine on the first tank of Extreme I used.
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