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Any ideas what PIDs to listen too for the auto gear indicator (that shows on the cluster)
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{USERNAME} wrote: Any ideas what PIDs to listen too for the auto gear indicator (that shows on the cluster) Probably one or other of the usual Ford mode 22 PIDs: 11B3 GEAR Gear commanded for transmission 16B3 GEAR (Transmission Gear Status) There are dozens of others but I think those are theones to try first. Fire up an elm, atsp6 atsh7e0 not convinced you need this 2211B3 see what you get 2216B3 and again Sorry if I forgot anything but am not near a car right now! Oh.... those should indicate the gear. Did you just want "whether in auto or not" kind of thing? |
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{USERNAME} wrote: {USERNAME} wrote: Any ideas what PIDs to listen too for the auto gear indicator (that shows on the cluster) Probably one or other of the usual Ford mode 22 PIDs: 11B3 GEAR Gear commanded for transmission 16B3 GEAR (Transmission Gear Status) There are dozens of others but I think those are theones to try first. Fire up an elm, atsp6 atsh7e0 not convinced you need this 2211B3 see what you get 2216B3 and again Sorry if I forgot anything but am not near a car right now! Oh.... those should indicate the gear. Did you just want "whether in auto or not" kind of thing? Thanks I'll give those a go. Am after what actual gear is selected. But a drive or 'manual mode' setting would be handy too.
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{USERNAME} wrote: Thanks I'll give those a go. Am after what actual gear is selected. But a drive or 'manual mode' setting would be handy too. One of those will likely do it. Or you could watch the broadcast msg, which I think is 3E9, and decode its params. You have the ZF and paddles on the steering wheel? Did you snoop to see what messages are sent when you use them? |
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{USERNAME} wrote: {USERNAME} wrote: Thanks I'll give those a go. Am after what actual gear is selected. But a drive or 'manual mode' setting would be handy too. One of those will likely do it. Or you could watch the broadcast msg, which I think is 3E9, and decode its params. You have the ZF and paddles on the steering wheel? Did you snoop to see what messages are sent when you use them? No snooping yet. AFAIK the trans controller receives simple 12v on/off signals from the shifter (or my add on) that go right to the ZF itself, no OBD signals used there. I've just gotten home, and grabbed a terminal emulator for my winmo phone will head on down to the car and give them a trial.
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2216b3 reported 7f errors
2211b3 reported P 62 11 b3 02 R 62 11 b3 02 N 62 11 b3 02 D 62 11 b3 02 Dp 62 11 b3 02 1 62 11 b3 02 2 62 11 b3 04 3 untested (for now) 4 untested (for now) 5 untested (for now) 6 untested (for now)
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Threw together a little VB app for my phone so I can test without having to type in codes.
 The idea being the gear positions light up as appropriate, and the OBD response replace the text at the bottom.
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{USERNAME} wrote: No snooping yet. AFAIK the trans controller receives simple 12v on/off signals from the shifter (or my add on) that go right to the ZF itself, no OBD signals used there. I've just gotten home, and grabbed a terminal emulator for my winmo phone will head on down to the car and give them a trial. If it's like other cars, the shifter will have a small control module which will send CAN messages. The ZF will also be on the CAN, same as the PCM and so much else. Which variant of the circuit diagrams is the one for your car? I'll have a look if you can point me at them. Where's Luke when we need him? LOL |
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{USERNAME} wrote: If it's like other cars, the shifter will have a small control module which will send CAN messages. The ZF will also be on the CAN, same as the PCM and so much else. Which variant of the circuit diagrams is the one for your car? I'll have a look if you can point me at them. Where's Luke when we need him? LOL Already know there's no CAN (or any other OBD) connection between the shifter and the ZF. There 6 wires, power, ground, illumination, and 3 active low signals on for 'performance D', and one each of up and down. Nothing special is going on at the shifter.
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{USERNAME} wrote: Already know there's no CAN (or any other OBD) connection between the shifter and the ZF. There 6 wires, power, ground, illumination, and 3 active low signals on for 'performance D', and one each of up and down. Nothing special is going on at the shifter. It's going on SOMEWHERE cos the ZF is CAN only. Where do those wires go? |
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Oi, what's been going on around these parts then?
The first thing I notice is the header you've been using - 7e0 is the PCM. Many of the trans PIDS are available in the PCM and are duplicated in the TCM (ZF) - but not all. So I'd suggest changing your module address header to be 7E1. The header for the TCM is actually 7E1. And there are few pids related to the gear - although I'm not sure what all of them do: GEAR_TYPE: PID:0947. I don't have a mapping of what these are, but these are the returnable values and what IDS says they could mean: Possible Raw Values: 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 40" What they could mean (From IDS) "1-Auto 1-Man 2-Auto 2-Man 3-Auto 3-Man 4-Auto 4-Man 5-Auto 5-Man 6-Auto 6-Man NEUTRAL REVERSE PARK LIMPHOME 29 = UNAVAILABLE" GEAR: PID:11B3 2=1, 4=2 6=3 8=4 10=5 12=6 TR (Transmission Range): PID:11b6 Possible values: 23 46 60 113 70 44 115 50 117 21 22 0 116 What they could mean (From IDS) "M1 M2 M3 D4 D5 D5 NEUTRAL 3C=REVERSE 46=PARK BETWEEN N-D6 R-N P-R" SHIFT_REQ: PID:16B5 (Not sure if this is always available) What they could mean: (FRom IDS) DOWNSHIFT UPSHIFT Gear Level Position: PID: 19DE 0 - Tip- 1 - Tip+ 2 - Manual 3 - Drive 4 - Neutral 6 - Reverse Lukeyson |
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Broadcast 3E9 is ZF stuff too, Might be useful. 7 Byte field, with the MSB/Byte 7 on the left and LSB/Byte0 on the right:
Top 4 bits on Byte 7 = Gear POsition Selected "0=Park 1=Reverse 2=Neutral 3=Drive 4=Fourth 5=Third 6=Second 7=Fifth F=Intermediate" Bottom 4 bits on Byte 7 = Gear POsition Actual "0=Neutral 1=First 2=Second 3=Third 4=Fourth 5=Fifth 6=Sixth C=Reverse F=Gear_shift_in_progress" Byte 6 = TransShiftMap "0=Normal_mode 1=Sports_mode 2=Not_used 3=Hot_mode 4=Gradient_mode 5=Traction_map 6=Manual_mode 7=Cruisemap " Bottom 4 bits of byte 1 - Gear position target "0=Neutral 1=First 2=Second 3=Third 4=Fourth 5=Fifth 6=Sixth C=Reverse F=Invalid" Message 650 has an interesting bitwise field in it - bits in Byte 6 correspond to the what the engine thinks is attached to it: Of Byte 6: bit 7 - Unused Bit 6 - "ManualTrans_HS 0=No;1=Yes" Bit 5 - "AutoTransTCM_Control 0=No;1=Yes" Bit 4 - "AutoTransPCM_Control 0=No;1=Yes" Bit 3 - "SelectShiftManual 0=No;1=Yes" Bit 2 - "AllWheelDrive 0=No;1=Yes" Bit 1 - "RearWheelDrive 0=No;1=Yes" Bit 0 - "FrontWheelDrive 0=No;1=Yes" |
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{USERNAME} wrote: Oi, what's been going on around these parts then? We were trying to cope without your help  Good to see you! Please post all you have about the modes, PIDs etc for as many modules as you know (er, it's gonna be a lot so PM?). I've been watching data at 500K with an elm327 (it appears to keep up) but don't know what lots of it means. I'd like to know about ABS and other modules, too, please, even if on ISO or PWM, as my mate has a Ford Mondeo.  I've got the various SAE etc specs but keep dozing off while reading and anyway they don't have the Detail of actual modes and packets used by specific modules (Bosch etc). (etools is way too expensive) To what extent does IDS work without the special hardware parts (VCM etc)? BTW - if you want to talk about 5-baud init values let me know. |
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{USERNAME} wrote: {USERNAME} wrote: Already know there's no CAN (or any other OBD) connection between the shifter and the ZF. There 6 wires, power, ground, illumination, and 3 active low signals on for 'performance D', and one each of up and down. Nothing special is going on at the shifter. It's going on SOMEWHERE cos the ZF is CAN only. Where do those wires go? Straight into the trans.
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{USERNAME} wrote: Straight into the trans. Point me to a circuit diagram? All ZF 6HP26s I ever met don't do that. They're CAN. And the flappy paddles... wired straight in as well? |
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