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hmmm will be very interested to see this with a 6cyl EL...
also using the soldering iron for something other than an xbox/ps2 would be a nice change.
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NFGhia wrote: ....Hi all I'm a newbie but here after stumbling across it looking for cheap EMS's and....
Hey NFGhia, welcome aboard. Sounds like you'll be able to contribute plenty of knowledge to the site. Hope you stay a while... Adrian - sounds like the project coming along well... inj duty > 100%... sounds like a req_fuel setting? or do you suspect hardware?
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Martin, I think the problem is only in MegaTune, not the real world. I say this because the injector LEDs are flashing. If it truly was >100% duty cycle they would be on continuously.
I have one of my throttle bodies stripped down in the shed right now and the engineering company is CNCing plates for my DIY adapter. I am cleaning and polishing that and cleaning the two injectors. They are huge, should go well with four of them. My problem now is finding the flow rate of EA CFI injectors. All sites that correspond with the part number 0-280-150-608 say 42.6 lb/hr @ 2.5 bar. However I know that the CFI 6s used 1 bar. I thought they were good for 80 lb/hr.
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4.9 EF Futura wrote: NFGhia wrote: ....Hi all I'm a newbie but here after stumbling across it looking for cheap EMS's and.... Hey NFGhia, welcome aboard. Sounds like you'll be able to contribute plenty of knowledge to the site. Hope you stay a while... Thanx 4.9 EF Futura, I certainly hope to hang around, I've signed up for the cruise group and by the looks of things there's going to be a Dyno Day in July here in Melb so I'd like to get a couple of these Jaycar kits happening and whack her on the dyno and see if they make any difference so I can give a first hand account.. On a seperate note I had a look through your gallery and I like the PC in the boot, I've got a spare one at the moment I use for a TV/DVR and Ive been toying with the thought of whacking one in my car. And I was just wondering if your running the power supply off an inverter or have you adapted it to run off the cars supply?? 
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NFGhia wrote: On a seperate note I had a look through your gallery and I like the PC in the boot, I've got a spare one at the moment I use for a TV/DVR and Ive been toying with the thought of whacking one in my car.
And I was just wondering if your running the power supply off an inverter or have you adapted it to run off the cars supply?? It's currently running of a 300W inverter... not ideal, but does the trick... the DC-DC power supply units are a little expensive for my liking. Check out www.mp3car.com ... those guys talk CarPC all day, every day....
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I am planning a car PC so I can have MegaTune with me always as well as DVD etc. The plan is a 12V Mini-ITX PC. No inverter needed.
www.mini-itx.com There is a company in Sydney that stocks them.
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HYENA i am looking into this and would like to know how you are goin to join your ms kit into the loom of the car are you making an adaptor ?
also did you get the ms 1 ? can you do spark with the ms 1 , if so is it with the update? wat do i need to do this to a ef I6? - edis ? - ms kit ? - can the os sensor the car one be used? or are you using a new one? if you figure out the loom wiring could you doc it so i could make a loom myself? sorry if i went all simple on you its just a new thing and im interested and im not a dum C*** lol but just a bit confused cos you guys are way smart
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what kind of boost can it handle
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sickd wrote: HYENA i am looking into this and would like to know how you are goin to join your ms kit into the loom of the car are you making an adaptor ?
Yeah mate I have the MSI built, just waiting on raiki to finish with his stim so I can borrow it to test mine before I start splicing wires and then scratch my head when it doesnt work! It'll need the EDIS add on to do spark, but the rest of the existing gear on the EF should handle the rest of the spark requirements. I hope the existing sensor O2 sensor can be used, I guess I'll find out soon enough if it can't! I'm not "way smart" , more so game enough to charge head long into it and hope it works. lol I'll make a doco when I do it. I'll cut into the existing look and pick out the wires I need. I'll probably use a printer type switch box to be able to switch between the MS and the EECV. I only have one car so I need to maintain it as my daily driver. If I botch something with the MS hopefully a flick of a switch and I'll return the car to EECV control. Hopefully...
I'm hoping to have it installed and running right within a month or so. I want to get back out to WSID while it's nice and cold to see what sort of quarter I can turn out. If I crack 13's you'll never hear the end of it 
Spidey, not sure about turbo applications. Check out the MS site and forums for info
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i was just reading all the docos on the megasquirt site there is alot of input that you need to know how are you know what it is example
Setting the Constants how you know that -Control Algorithm Required Fue Injector Opening Time Injections per Engine Cycl Injector Staging i just read a bit more it is exciting i want to do it now lol it will be hard so what should i order? can you program on the run with a laptop
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I'll worry about all that s**t later
I haven't looked into it in detail yet but I think you can put in alot of stuff you know, injector flow rates etc etc etc enough to get it to run and then tune it from there. You could also try using a map from a similar car just to get you started. If I get mine going first I'll sell you my maps for ... ONE MILLION DOLLARS.
Alot of people have built and installed these though and the software is pretty good so I don't think you need 2 degrees in computer programing and and 3 in electrical and automotive engineering to get it going. Atleast I hope not, I'm finishing off a 2nd degree now (in an unrelated field) and I'd rather not have to do another one to be able to install my megasquirt 
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controling either fuel or spark is gonna stop the knock sensor from working isnt it thats not a good thing?
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Spider_GT wrote: what kind of boost can it handle Spider, the standard 2bar MAP sensor fitted to MS can handle ~20psi boost IRC. There is a 3 bar available as well, which i guess will take 34psi... sickd wrote: controling either fuel or spark is gonna stop the knock sensor from working isnt it thats not a good thing?
Knock sensors are a bit of a wank. Despite what appears to believe, 6 cylinder EEC doesnt simply max the timing advance until it knocks.. its just used as deefback and it can retard the caclulated timing if it detects knocking. MS will take knock sensor input which will allow you to log it against other inputs/outputs. A good tune shouldnt be pinging anyway - this is the idea of programming your own maps. A laptop must be used to setup MS and to tune it whilst you drive around. Once it is setup, MS doesnt need a laptop present but it can be used to datalog, provide live readouts and also for tuning on the fly. Megatune (the PC software) will help you calculate req_fuel constants and make a base fuel table. To control spark you will need the Megasquirt-n-spark hardware mods to the unit, and the megasquirt-n-spark-extra software for megatune... this is all detailed very well on the website... HEGO can be used for narrowband feedback and MSTweak3k will help you fine tune the fuel maps using this info. No good for WOT tuning tho...
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Some answers to some of the questions above.
- My MS kit has a 2.5 bar sensor, so that supports up to about 22psi boost. -The MSnS-e firmware supports knock sensors so you can use one if you really want too. -MS1 can do spark, in many forms, with the MSnS-e firmware. This is what I am using. Initially I will have fuel only, but will add spark when I have the fuel sorted. You will use the EDIS setup. -Yes, MegaTune gives you real time editing via a laptop. Have been using that heaps with the Stim lately to get a handle on it. - I intend using a narrow band O2 sensor from an E-series falcon, mostly due to cost. Wide band would be way better but too expensive for one guys use. I may look into hiring one for the initial tuning. It's a very easy kit to build and configuration is very simple if you follow the manual. The MS is getting it's initial hookup to the Coupe this weekend to test sensors. I will have the tacho and MAP connected and will go for a spin to make sure all loads are within the range of my VE table. One problem I am having now is trying to decide where to put the coolant temp sensor in the cleveland. Easy option is to go in the thermostat housing but that has some downfalls.
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thanks guys that has sold me i am getting one i emailed the guys last night but have not got a reply thanks heaps for the info i will keep listening in on this its very interesting
does any one have a wiring diagram for a ef ecu wiring loom?
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