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sickd wrote: thanks guys that has sold me i am getting one i emailed the guys last night but have not got a reply thanks heaps for the info i will keep listening in on this its very interesting
does any one have a wiring diagram for a ef ecu wiring loom? It's well worth getting a workshop manual for this info... even a max ellerys has the full list of pinouts, their functions and KOEO/KOER values... ideally genuine workshop manual but these a bit expensive.. EF has a 104 pin loom, the wires are numbered on the plug so all you really need is the listing for the pinouts. IIRC the EF 6 cyl EEC has drivers for the coilpacks built into it, i think you will need to source external drivers for MSnS to run EDIS on your falcon... have a search around here because Waggin got this up and running with his motec... probably well documented on the megasquirt forums as well.... EL should be simple with TFI dizzy....
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sickd wrote: does any one have a wiring diagram for a ef ecu wiring loom? Again I haven't got that far yet but I'm sure someone on fordmods would have it and could scan it and upload it. There's and pretty comprehensive EECV PDF file floating around (I've misplaced it at the moment but it's been linked to a few times) I'm not sure if it has all the info needed off the top of my head but it'd be a good resource either way
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cool i was thinking or a work shop manual but could think wat it was but i will invest in one for sure and yeah i will need a edis6 for the spark control, EDIS is like a converter so the ms can control spark yeah.
does the ef have a EDIS module already, how does it read spark or control it?
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4.9 EF Futura wrote: sickd wrote: thanks guys that has sold me i am getting one i emailed the guys last night but have not got a reply thanks heaps for the info i will keep listening in on this its very interesting does any one have a wiring diagram for a ef ecu wiring loom? It's well worth getting a workshop manual for this info... even a max ellerys has the full list of pinouts, their functions and KOEO/KOER values... ideally genuine workshop manual but these a bit expensive.. EF has a 104 pin loom, the wires are numbered on the plug so all you really need is the listing for the pinouts. IIRC the EF 6 cyl EEC has drivers for the coilpacks built into it, i think you will need to source external drivers for MSnS to run EDIS on your falcon... have a search around here because Waggin got this up and running with his motec... probably well documented on the megasquirt forums as well.... EL should be simple with TFI dizzy.... Hey guys I might be able to help I've got the factory EF/EF 3Vol manual cost me $270 trade  .
I can scan and send anyone the section they're after but I don't think posting them here would go down too well with copyright laws.. 
But if your after a section send me a pm and I'll scan 'em off for ya. 
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sickd wrote: cool i was thinking or a work shop manual but could think wat it was but i will invest in one for sure and yeah i will need a edis6 for the spark control, EDIS is like a converter so the ms can control spark yeah.
does the ef have a EDIS module already, how does it read spark or control it? I don't believe the EF 6 has an EDIS module as such, it's all done in the ECU. I'll double check tonight. The schematics for the EFI system are 3 foldout A4 sheets so it will be a cut and past job to join them after they are all scanned. Does anyone know what needs to be done to fit a Windsor TFI dizzy to a black Cleveland ??? TFI will make it so much easier for me to do spark. I could use an XD dizzy with the VR sensor and two of the ignition drivers but I have my heart set on TFI.
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EF 6 cylinder users should read this thread:
http://www.fordmods.com/phpBB2/viewtopi ... 66&start=0 Waggin encountered and solved most of the issues you guys will have in setting up MS on an EDIS 6 engine... IIRC Brad uses Magna drivers to replace EEC's internal EDIS to drive the coilpack... EDIS 6 modules can also be found on ebay
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are we going to have any problems with the spark if we just control the fuel?.. does the spark work along side the fuel or are they controlled completrely seperate example - if the car loads up fuel (rich0 does it increase the spark or is it always the same...
also will we have trouble with thermo fans and if we take the fuel out of the control of the eecv will everything else in the eevc that has some link to the fuel or spark will it s**t it self ?
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Thermo fans have no link to fuel or spark. They will work fine as will all other aaccessories. Your insurance company may not be happy with the ECU not using smartlock but the start circuit will still have it. Might be worth double checking that.
The spark may be a problem because i think both spark and fuel use the CLT, so you may need to add another CLT. The other option, which I will do when fuel is sorted, is to let MS do the spark also. The Ford TFI dizzys make that very easy. If the Coupe works well I will add MS to my EF and go silly. 4bbl manifold and a shaker. No MAF = Wohoo.
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so do the fuel and spark work with each other to get the mixture right cos if i take fuel away will the spark be f**k up and not know the mixture?
also wat is CLT i was not sure if the thermo would work cos with the ms you have to use the temp sensor so if i take the temp sensor from the eevc and put it to the ms they wont come on? or do i just splice into it so that both eecv and ms get a temp signal
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Fuel and spark don't really work together as such. Spark can't control mixture. However if the mixture is wrong and the EGO sensor picks it up the spark may be changed to suit. I am not sure.
Both fuel and spark use the same sensors so they will be affected, like I said in an earlier post. You may need to mount extra sensors. CLT is the Coolant Temperature sensor. The thermo may not work because the sensor is on the megasquirt. Then again check your sensors, there may be one near the radiator for the thermo. The Fuel will use the one in the block. Otherwiseyou can either get the MS to control the fans or get a seperate fan controller. This is what I am using on the coupe.
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MSnS-E should be able to control the thermofans. Looking at the way EF fans are stup and the way MS can control them...
I think the easiest way would be to have 2 modes... 1 fan on full and 2 fans on full. Or maybe both fans on half or both fans on full. Either way - it will be easy to set up a '2mode' thermo system, as opposed to the '4 mode' setup as per EF EEC-V. If you want EEC to control spark it will most likely need all sensors to remain. This is a bugger for the V8 as it means you will need to keep the MAF for load calcs... unless you give spark control to MS (no reason why you wouldnt)... CLT signal can be fed to both MS and EEC (eec needs it for the dash, at least) but will need to use a pull-up circuit... all detailed in the forums/website.
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MSnS-E can control the fan, but I am going to use a dedicated thermo fan controller in the Coupe. I am using the KIS principle (keep is simple).
Ahh the joy of having no existing computer to deal with. I am starting to think a seperate adjuster that replaces the MAF with MAP is a better way to go with the EFI Windsor. Leave the EEC controlling spark and fuel. I figure if a computer knows RPM, MAP and temp it can calculate MAF, which is what the MS calculates in effect (based on load tables). It will basically be a MS with an analogue output wired to the EECs MAF input in place of it's injector outputs. As I see it this output will be a function of injector duty cycle so the program in the MS doesn't change much. This will give you fully adjustable fuel contol, using the existing MS software (MT) but not spark. I might be onto something here !!!!! Hmmmm
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so you are goin to just write the tables and let the existing eecv do all the work by the ms table ?
is that what you mean
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sickd wrote: so you are goin to just write the tables and let the existing eecv do all the work by the ms table ?
is that what you mean If I ever do my EF, basically yes, but this will only be good for the V8s. The MAP, temp and rpm will be wired into the MS to generate a MAF signal for the EEC to use like it already does. If it's rich at one load point I change the MS to lean it out and for that load point the EEC now sees less air. It's different for you 6 guys, haven't thought much as to how you will acheive it. It can be done, definately. Except I think you will need the MS to do fuel and spark, probably a seperate thermo fan controller. Now you are going to have trouble with the transmission (if your auto) because it needs to know motor temp also. Much trickier for you guys.
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