Hrmmm, strange - my mechanic buddy gets $15 an hour yet customers are charged $60 an hour....

The people who get paid less (the workers), have less financial risk.

i also wouldn't mind being part of this group buy, i have PM'd you uncle.

$15/hr + 8% for super, + group tax, + phone, + electricity, + training/C**k-ups, + profit. A business is in business for itself, not for the employees that work for the business. If you can't make money out of a machine, you get rid of it, and if you can't make money out of an employee, you get rid of him/her.

It adds up. I currently charge out labour @ $80/hr at work... sometimes $100/hr is the customer's rich but then I talking about labour charges on a $15,000 gearbox rebuild, not a $100 oil change.

Anyway, that was off-topic. Back to MS-II

Lol, yeah - my comment above was tounge-in-cheek...

Anyways - just looking at the ignition systems on the MS page...

Who here is going to be running EDIS and who will be running TFI? Are the 6 cyl and 8 cyl TFI systems the same? Seems MS/MS-II will support the "grey" TFI modules no worries, but is no good for CCD (computer controlled dwell) systems....

Can we confirm the Ford 8/6 TFI module is not CCD? Also, i assume the MS-II ECU/PCB will have spark capabilities straight off the bat... i.e. no need to modify the output side of the cirucit to setup spout output? (seems input is simply a matter of running PIP to the tach input)

i think ill be up for a ms2 kit. i think its a tad redundant converting to ms1 then screwing around with it all again for ms2. if we can get the megaview to send impulses to the stock ford display, that would be fkn brilliant (dont know about what sort of inputs it takes, but i imagine it shouldnt be that bad), or as you said, rip the guts out and use the megaview, a less desirable option but still an option.

im looking forward to the tuning

has anyone had any issues with running an auto and a/m ecu? (i dont like the auto and want it ot burn in hell, but lets face it- i wont be getting a manual for a little while yet.

Martin

In the future I intend to use EDIS8 on the 351. That will clean the engine bay up hugely. I want it to be very original on the outside but very high tech on the inside.

I will do some reasearch on the TFI and get back to you. I haven't looked into it at this stage.

Janek. With the MS1 I will be using the MSnS-E code. This gives you almost everything the MSII gives you, except higher resolution. This way when I go MSII all my tables (12x12) and constants etc will be a straight transfer. I wont need to do everything again.

Should be fairly straightforward - leave the EEC there to control the auto box and feed it the inputs it requires (trans temp link, rpm, tps, vss)... take a page out of Chef's book as I think he is running a Wolf 3d with EEC running the box...

I'll be running MS on an auto but much simpler with the V8....

Great adrian, id appreciate a 2nd opinion. I've read up on MS' abilities and TFI is fine so long as its not a CCD unit (black TFI module). Im fairly confident the V8 has the "grey" TFI module (non-CCD) as it's straightforward mustang gear... the 6cyl guys should look into this as well.

A few more thoughts.... regarding emmission control devices...

EGR... im thinking i'll disable this and tune MS to suit. But... what about the carbon cannister? Seems easy enough to leave EEC in control, but what inputs do you think we'd need to keep this alive and well?

It depends on how desparate you are to get MS on your ride.

To upgrade to MS-II only requires plugging in the MS-II daughterboard. If you use MSnS initially (that's MS-I with spark control) you will already have 12x12 spark and fuel tables like MS-II will use. So it's just a matter uf burning all your existing fuel and spark tables to the new MS-II as they use exactally the same file formats. It should be a 5 minute changeover.

Different story if you use MS-I for fuel only. You'd have to tune the spark on MS-II obviously and also use a program to convert your 8x8 maps to 12x12.

I'd just like to post here a little run in with south.

He thinks I'm a piece of s**t, know nothing about electronics or Megasquirt (despit the fact I'm the only one here to dat who's had experience and success with MS) and I basically get the feeling he thinks I should stay out of it.

Now, I'm more than happy to help out with this project, but if people like south are going to bad mouth me at every turn and do their best to sink this project, I will stop now.

I have never had anything against south. In fact, untill he had a go at me, I didn't know he existed. I'm not sure why he's so p****d off with me, but I'm not doing this to cause conflicts and my idea of spending free time does not include having verbal bashing sessions with people like south.

So, if people here, like south, think that I'm a prick and are trying to rip people off and don't give a rat's a*** about their situation, please tell me. Otherwise, if people think I'm doing something good for the fordmods community, I'd also like to know.

I would also like to point out that I have never, nor will I ever aim to "corner that market" so to speak. I've been discussing this project with people on the forum via PM and would much rather this be a community effort than an effort solely on my behalf. Megasquirt itself would not have become the success it is now if B&G had have not allowed the MS community to develop.

So I'm not trying to be "King of the Megasquirt" as south would like to say, I'm merely trying to give this project some direction and organisation so it gan get off the ground and give people the information, support and options that are out there instead of every new comer having to re-invent the wheel all the time.

HAHAHAHA, your a goose!

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This is exactally the hourly rate I worked on with my estimate. How dare you imply I'm trying to rip people off.

Don't forget, that that $13/hr included a limited warranty AND after sales support so in actual fact the hourly rate I would get could be as little as $5/hr depending on how things go.

Now, how about you hae a go a raiki? He's offering to do the labour only in return for a $450 MAF. How's that for ripping someone off? No warranty, no after sales support and 3 times the price!!!


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Hehehe. Jealous?

I really don't need the money. I'm doing this for the community. If you're such a good electronic engineer, then you'll be able to pull some strings and get them assembles professionally for the fordmods members.

In the mean time, everyone on the forums reakon that I'm a good bloke and you're a piece of s**t. I'd cike to keep it that way, so by all means, go ahead and try to cut me down. You'll only make me stronger.

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Go right ahead. Post it under the one I posted about you.



So if your not Mr King s**t, then why try to act like one?
Im doing the work myself, and I encourage others to do it also, wether they want to get it from you or not is their own choice. I personally would recommend everyone stay clear of your un-professionalism!

Fine. I withdraw from this project. No-one here will hear another word from me regarding megasquirts.

Like I've said south, I really don't know what your problem is with me. But I'm sure there are a few people here who would like to thank you.

For everyone that PMed me, I'm sorry but I will now be unable to fulfill your requests. Thankyou for the support some people have shown me, but I really don't have time in my life to deal with people like south.

You'll be back in a few hours changing your mind!