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Phenolic Spacer between the BBM and the engine? Should decrease inlet air temperature a little, if not a lot. As the EF uses MAP not MAF I would guess that the computer will not compensate in the slightest for having slightly more volume of air pulled (or pushed depending on your aspiration) into the firing chamber? Hot air expands right? Is this something that would make a difference worthy of creating a new table - even if just getting a percent or two more fuel into the mix when loading engine or using "throttle completely open"? Yeahp, I have read the whole thread over time. Yeahp, I am keen to check this whole system out. Yeahp, I am putting a 15" flat screen and a decent laptop into the car. No, I ain't sure if the insurance company is still keen to write the whole car off.... |
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Your manifold contains an IAT sensor, which will compensate for higher intake temps with less timing and fuel. The same function will work in reverse if you drop the intake temps.
You can tune for any differences the spacer makes which this function does not already compensate for without having to create new tables. How much do you think the spacers will end up costing? Interested to see how you go and how much they help drop temps; particularly on dailys which do a lot of stop-start driving (high heat soak). Jason
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Just curious, why did you make the intermediate circuit board to connect the chip to the programmer? why not direct plug?
Also, will any tuner (person) be able to tune my car with this chip and tunerpro? |
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any tuner should be able to work it out. i am working on a guide to this at the moment which should let anyone (including a tuner) get started.
the intermediate board allows for an upcoming connector to read stock ECU programs  it also simplifies the design, as the pins on the edge connector need to be specially plated, which is quite expensive. having a smaller board makes that easier.
The moates setup uses a DIL to EDGE interconnect board which is very thin and non plated and causes a lot of problems (the chips dont make a good contact on the programmer). This is why Andrew went the extra yard, for reliability. Jason
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{USERNAME} wrote: Your manifold contains an IAT sensor, ...Jason
Oh bugger. I wondered what that sensor was when pulling apart the manifold previously - then promptly forgot about it during my late night thought (or lack of) processes. Couldn't find my old intake gasket, so just went and bought one for $10. Going to work on a drawing tonight and email them to get a confirmed price, thickness and the materials capabilities explained more fully. Should work nicely, although will have to ask your (and others) opinions on a few things first... Remember that link, above... Will try to keep my chit chat regarding this on another thread. Cheers man - Will be hooking into your system one day. Met a guy with a few clutch bits today, so that's heading into the "find a manual computer" territory soon. |
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{USERNAME} wrote: i am working on a guide to this at the moment which should let anyone (including a tuner) get started.
the intermediate board allows for an upcoming connector to read stock ECU Jason I am VERY INTERESTED in this, put me down for one!!! When you have this done please post it in here or pm me, i'd be buying one straight away.
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the ability to read stock ecus?
this can be done with the moates gear right now. have read plenty already - see the site. will be sure to post when the locally made connector is available, but you will need to have a programmer to do it.
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are there any definition files for the AU EECs yet?.....
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Nope. You're welcome to start
The reasoning behind this is that previously there have been limited options for EA-EL. AU onwards has always had pretty good aftermarket support for tuning, especially with the flash tuner etc. Jason
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{USERNAME} wrote: the ability to read stock ecus?
this can be done with the moates gear right now. have read plenty already - see the site. will be sure to post when the locally made connector is available, but you will need to have a programmer to do it. No i mean the guide thing you are doing. I should have quoted you properly in the first place, i didn't even see the bottom line.
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Guide is http://www.fordmods.com/forums/ef-el-i6 ... 72248.html
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Awesome, i will have a good read.
Thanks heaps mate, expect to sell a programmer and a couple of blank chips pretty soon.
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i do belive this thread is going to bring many smiles to many peoples faces! Just a quick question to those in the know, im running a jmm dev 5 cam, it idles well and fuel efficiency seems good just wondering if this cam throws out the factory map much? or could i be looking at more gains using this. Also is the EL xr6 map much different to the standard EL manual one? Thanks Jason
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{USERNAME} wrote: Nope. You're welcome to start
The reasoning behind this is that previously there have been limited options for EA-EL. AU onwards has always had pretty good aftermarket support for tuning, especially with the flash tuner etc. Jason If i had half an idea where to start and what to look for i'd be doing it now. |
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{USERNAME} wrote: i do belive this thread is going to bring many smiles to many peoples faces! Just a quick question to those in the know, im running a jmm dev 5 cam, it idles well and fuel efficiency seems good just wondering if this cam throws out the factory map much? or could i be looking at more gains using this. Also is the EL xr6 map much different to the standard EL manual one? Thanks Jason
dont ask me, ask a dyno. XR6 ECUs use less fuel (due to the 300kpa reg) and more timing. This is more helpful when you cant alter timing (EF/AU) with a dizzy.
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