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MontGas wrote: Me again, i went thru my spark maps and afr's savaged them up abit and i seem to have hit the sweet spot! put the chip in last night, hunting GONE lump GONE, and wipes crap in the face of petrol! i had it on petrol a few weeks ago no mixer setup for petrol felt pretty good over gas, but now this feels WAY better. put the throttle down some and it was like stepping on a land mine, i didnt expect it to take off like a shot! id be happy to share my modified bin. (keeping in mind its modified for GAS ONLY!)
Just adding to my post, id love to see a rip of a chiptorque chip or powerchip gold just to see really how much they change and where they think power gains are to be made. if anyone know where they look for power it would be appreciated!. I'm going to play devils advocated here , from what I'm understanding you guys can program and change fuel , ignition , idle settings and so on. If this is the case why would you want to rip chiptorques so called HiPerformance chip ?? Or is this all a hit and miss and guessing game ? Q1 .Can one of you guys explain how the fuel tables are adjusted ? Q2. Can one of you guys explain how the ignition timing tables are adjusted ? using moatos's ostrich or what ever system you are using ? with full detailed explanation please .
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FPV_GTp wrote: MontGas wrote: Me again, i went thru my spark maps and afr's savaged them up abit and i seem to have hit the sweet spot! put the chip in last night, hunting GONE lump GONE, and wipes crap in the face of petrol! i had it on petrol a few weeks ago no mixer setup for petrol felt pretty good over gas, but now this feels WAY better. put the throttle down some and it was like stepping on a land mine, i didnt expect it to take off like a shot! id be happy to share my modified bin. (keeping in mind its modified for GAS ONLY!) Just adding to my post, id love to see a rip of a chiptorque chip or powerchip gold just to see really how much they change and where they think power gains are to be made. if anyone know where they look for power it would be appreciated!. I'm going to play devils advocated here , from what I'm understanding you guys can program and change fuel , ignition , idle settings and so on. If this is the case why would you want to rip chiptorques so called HiPerformance chip ?? Or is this all a hit and miss and guessing game ? Q1 .Can one of you guys explain how the fuel tables are adjusted ? Q2. Can one of you guys explain how the ignition timing tables are adjusted ? using moatos's ostrich or what ever system you are using ? with full detailed explanation please . Yes for myself im going by feel, id really love to do it properly but just dont have the place,time,money to go about it the right way. and the questions about the commercial chips is to see where they think power gains are made, either fuel settings, afr's,ignition adv or retard or maybe something else, i doubt it they want it leaked or maybe they do very little at all. but just more having fun in a cheap way, and learning new things is what this is more about. and yes we use a variety of programs wich can be found on the eec sites plus the def files. heres a site to get you started it was linked from the ebay page i purchased my setup from. http://www.advancedtechnologies.com.au/ |
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FPV_GTp wrote: I'm going to play devils advocated here
Posts like this piss me off. I suggest you actually have a read of the rest of this thread, or the tuning thread (where a guide as to how to tune an SD based EEC is presented) or even download the FREE software and the OPEN definitions and have a look with your OWN EYES before you make assumptions based on ONE POST in the thread and attempt to undermine 2 years of my hard work! I have done lots of work to open this up to the DIYer and spent a lot of my unrecouped personal time in doing this. Posts like this are pretty disrespectful and frustrating. If you bothered to do any of the above or read my site (www.techcore.com.au/eec, not Andrews) you would know precisely how many tables can be modified, what they do, and how much real control we have. What the above poster was referring to is seeing how many changes other companies make in their chips which they charge upwards of $800 for. We are not all tuners, but we are looking for tips and tricks to get the most from our cars. This is not a reflection of the abilities of this tuning solution.
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galapogos01 wrote: FPV_GTp wrote: I'm going to play devils advocated here Posts like this piss me off. I suggest you actually have a read of the rest of this thread, or the tuning thread (where a guide as to how to tune an SD based EEC is presented) or even download the FREE software and the OPEN definitions and have a look with your OWN EYES before you make assumptions based on ONE POST in the thread and attempt to undermine 2 years of my hard work! I have done lots of work to open this up to the DIYer and spent a lot of my unrecouped personal time in doing this. Posts like this are pretty disrespectful and frustrating. If you bothered to do any of the above or read my site (www.techcore.com.au/eec, not Andrews) you would know precisely how many tables can be modified, what they do, and how much real control we have. What the above poster was referring to is seeing how many changes other companies make in their chips which they charge upwards of $800 for. We are not all tuners, but we are looking for tips and tricks to get the most from our cars. This is not a reflection of the abilities of this tuning solution. Ok , maybe you have misunderstood the questions I have read all the material , I'm very familiar tuning methods. like i said I'm playing devils advocated , galapogos01 no need to get upset and/or p****d off. "If you bothered to do any of the above or read my site (www.techcore.com.au/eec, not Andrews) you would know precisely how many tables can be modified, what they do, and how much real control we have. " very simple just answer the question in this forum. I'm not here to undermined or throw insults at someone's ability to tune just merely asking a few questions.
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Which question is unanswered? I suggest you be a little more specific.
There is a guide which explains step by step how to tune the VE for AFRs. Have you read it? http://www.fordmods.com/forums/ef-el-i6 ... 72248.html
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i know these j3's are meant to be pretty good.
if someone had a potentially stuffed ecu, could one of these things flash it back to its former self?
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If the flash memory alone was stuffed (extremely unlikely) then yes.
When a replacement ecu is $40 from pick-a-part, I wouldnt waste your time!
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Is there any chance of seeing some generic performance Bins to load on our chips being made? just to go with the 3 most common mods, exhaust, intake and cam.
It would really help sell them and get them noticed if there was a basic pre made bins to get people going, or maybe a 4 class bin for every type e series support, economy,Gas enhanced, high octane fuel only. this should help bring in the novice group and money to support the cause. im quite sure this has already been thought of, but id love to help contribute if i can as the humble E series is getting popular. Also if anyone has ideas to help me unlock power from my EL 6cyl with 977b and ph4480s, it would be appreciated, a pre made bin? advice on where to edit or how much? if i had a way of getting a A/F montior i guess id be working this out myself but i dont have one, so any help to unlock the power out of my beast would be great! Merry Xmas all! |
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Pre made tunes will come, but they wont be free. It takes much time to come up with a tune, and as you have indicated, expertise.
You can buy an AF meter kit for as little as $15, so there are no excuses if you want to do it yourself. For now, you can start with an XR tune, or the tune which is on the site (from my EF).
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briney wrote: and stupid question time, could this setup be used for a conversion ? i have a mate here with a petrol landcruiser who wants efi. if i got it running thinking it was an el, could i then tune it to suit ? or too hard ? and what about 4 cylinders ?
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galapogos01 wrote: Pre made tunes will come, but they wont be free. It takes much time to come up with a tune, and as you have indicated, expertise.
You can buy an AF meter kit for as little as $15, so there are no excuses if you want to do it yourself. For now, you can start with an XR tune, or the tune which is on the site (from my EF). The ef tune specifically which bin is that? under which file name? and i didnt know that you can purchase an AF meter kit for as little as 15?!! Where can i buy one? brand etc? i look forward to buy some tunes of u guys if you create some worth purchasing. thanks for the response! |
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jaycar sell the kits for between 14-45 bucks. depending on kit. they arnt in your traditional guage holder but with a lil thinking and work you can make it look like one.
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if you want to tune ur ganna really need a wide band o2 sensor to get a perfect readings. the o2 sensor in the car now are narrow band and they only tell the ecu if it below or above 14.7AFR where the wideband will tell you what your AFR constantly like it can tell you ur rich with a 11 AFR or a lean 15.5 AFR. these kit are a fair bit expensive i bought mine for my megasquirt II and it set me back $250 and it came with guage and the o2 also links to the pc for tunning (datalogging)
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just having a look through the tunerpro stuff with a few bins and def's from the site.
first i must say - all looks VERY professional. incredibly impressive abilities for a stock ecu. can anyone tell me what im doing wrong? i load the def, and the bin but all the settings are at their maximum setting? like a idle speed of 16k and such. there doesnt seem to be viable information in the bin files?
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