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krisidog, see link below on whats involved to do a proper job. Theres many hours doing it right.....
http://autospeed.com/cms/title_Porting- ... ticle.html btw, there prices have more than doubled for the same service since that article was written |
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krisisdog wrote: I didnt get any of the headwork done there as I found out about it a few months after I did the head. I dont know what the head flows from them, but surely it would have to be more than this head that uses stock sized valves, as they use larger than stock items. They also dont charge like a f**k, theres not $500 worth of labour involved in porting/recoing a head. what size valves did they put in your head? where did they get these 'larger then stock' valves? whats the bet they did exactly the same thing that every other head place does, they put XR exhaust valves in LOL
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I think krisdog was saying his head with std valves is better and will flow more than the Hoppers Heads with XR6 exhaust valves - hmm is that even possible since std are 39mm and xr6 are 41mm
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Steady ED wrote: krisisdog wrote: I didnt get any of the headwork done there as I found out about it a few months after I did the head. I dont know what the head flows from them, but surely it would have to be more than this head that uses stock sized valves, as they use larger than stock items. They also dont charge like a f**k, theres not $500 worth of labour involved in porting/recoing a head. what size valves did they put in your head? where did they get these 'larger then stock' valves? whats the bet they did exactly the same thing that every other head place does, they put XR exhaust valves in LOL f**k me, people get a bit ancy about this s**t dont they, and also dont fukin read what other people actually type.  Steady, DRHEMI - I said my head DID NOT, I REPEAT: DID NOT, get any of the work mentioned done to it. Do Chev valves fit in E series heads? As this is what I'm sure he mentioned, either way they were bigger than Tickford. As for tickford_6 who seems to know everything there is to know, I was referring to the 1000 dollar head. I didnt say you cant spend over a grand on porting a head, I said that head from hoppers is a rip off. Its a reco head with a touch of porting. For $1000. Yeh good fukin value there. How many $ per hour are they charging to port your head/s??? |
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we are saying you are talking s**t, you have made an assumption on how much work is done to a head that you have never even sighted, and to back up your argument you are talking about another head from some random workshop that you don't even have?
If you don't want to pay $1000 for headwork, thats your call, but dont run around s**t on things that you don't seem to know much about. I'm getting deja vu here actually, similar to when you claimed regrinding a cam reduces the lift LOL
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???? I didnt claim regrinding a cam reduced the lift? WTF? Obviously you have me confused with someone else.
Point was you can usually get far better value from a local workshop rather than going to a big place who can charge what they like. |
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krisisdog wrote: I was referring to the 1000 dollar head. I didnt say you cant spend over a grand on porting a head, I said that head from hoppers is a rip off. Its a reco head with a touch of porting. For $1000. Yeh good fukin value there. How many $ per hour are they charging to port your head/s??? I don't pay anyone to port heads for me. I'm saying thats what i charge. Which by the way is $88/h How do you know it not good value? Have you seen any of the heads? A good hand ported head take along time to get right. All the ports need to be the same, you can't guess this stuff, it needs to be measured and you need to know the right shapes and sizes. I did my first head probably 8 or 9 years ago now, Was a 2L escort head with stock valves. It's now running on a rally engine, it makes good power and bucket loads of torque. But between then and now, with the same size valves I could make an extra 10hp which on an engine like that is alot. I spend alot of time researching what works and what doesn't and every chance i get i take measurements of other peoples heads. Quote: As for tickford_6 who seems to know everything there is to know, I've never claimed to know everything. I'm opinionated, up front and say it how it is. I really don't care if %90 of the people on here don't like me or don't like what i've got to say. deal with it |
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Quote: We use a std inlet valve and a tickford ex valve, with a std bottom end where did you get chev valves from?and just using our head package only you can get up to 35KW increase. Its $1,095 including cam so its a $900 head Just for reference purposes - A Tickford Head compared to a Std Head has about $500 worth of work on it if you were going to get a std head to the same specs You cant just shove XR6 valves in a std head - 39mm diameter compared to 41mm diameter - there is work involved - you haven't got this that's one case why your head is cheaper I don't get it how you can bag out a Head Shop when your head hasn't even got the recommended XR6 valves in it - just goes to show either it was a cheap job that was needed or the guys that did your head don't know what they are doing
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$88 an hour is about twice what the guys in my town are on, which might explain why the porting is cheaper here. I'm not saying that the quality would be up to your standards or anything though, thats just what theyre on per hour, so they could spend twice as long as you or others could on the head for the same $$.
WTF ARE YOU ON DR HOMO?!?! f**k me C*** read what I fukin typed up. did I say hoppers head had chev valves?? NO I didnt, I said that IIRC, the local workshop said they can fit chev valves, which were larger than Tickford. WHEN DID I SAY I HAD THE HEAD I WAS TALKING ABOUT?!? FFS read, and re read before you post stupid s**t up. |
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Okay so we got it - you dont know what your talking about - and since you dont know what your on about maybe you shouldn't comment on other peoples workmanship since you have no idea.
Quote: Steady, DRHEMI - I said my head DID NOT, I REPEAT: DID NOT, get any of the work mentioned done to it. No you said "he mentioned" and you didnt type thats what is fitted to your head, if you see there is a full stop, then a question, then a statement..........
Do Chev valves fit in E series heads? As this is what I'm sure he mentioned, either way they were bigger than Tickford.
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You won't be getting a good enough head job for $500 (laughs at sexual innuendo) to make 190rwkw paying any decent person, who if you don't use will be a hit and miss affair (ie they may get lucky, odds are against this though). If you are pushing an engine to its limits, such as up to 200rwkw you need to know exactly what you are doing and match it exactly to your application; a port and polish won't cut it.
If it was me personally and I was hell bent on getting 190rwkw I would be getting the head cnc'd so I can get the most out of the compression and timing (but then I would also just turbo it at 9:1 running only moderate boost and s**t all over an n/a 190rwkw engine for the same price).
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175RWKW EF falcon for sale last year on the forums, read the thread outlines all the mods.......
http://www.fordmods.com/post825272.html
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I have spent in excess of $700 on parts for my VCT head. New stainless valves (2v clevo's), new springs, retainers, collets, perfromance seals, guides. Needed to change the guides to go from 7mm back to 11/32 for the clevos valves. Running 1.650" exh, 2.020" inlets. Bucket loads of porting and shaping. Old setup with the o/s XR valves and milder porting saw the head flow 365hp which equaled 140 rwkw on petrol and 136 on LPG. Am hoping to get 170-180 with a GRA mixer and doing an edit eventually. And yes the bottom end has also had work done. Bored 020", decked to get 10.7:1.
The old head dropped a valve, destroying a piston and damaging the bore. Need new pistons and 1 sleeve in the damaged bore. BTW Im lucky as I work in a engine reco'ing shop so all my machine work is free. But more importantly I get all my parts at a much better price than the average Joe off the street. I tend to get the best price I can when it for my own car. When your spending in excess of 7k a month with a supplier they tend to look after you when you ask. $1000 for a port job sounds like reasonable value. I have seen heads costing 1200 for porting alone. Had a pair of alloy VN heads in that needed porting and filled with parts..just over 2k.  in saying that there may be some back yarders out there that do a good job, but Im sure there will be more shonks than good people
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YOU TELL THEM MACXR8.
I got my head serviced, ported, new valves (xr6 ex.) & alot more by where macxr8 works. They do fantastic work & i'm very happy with all the boys there. Macxr8 knows what his talking about. Trust me. 
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seriously i cant believe you brought that up as i only asked for an opinion not what was better build a bridge...
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