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| InspectorRectum |
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Let's say you have $8000 to spend on youor stock motor, what do you get and why? Bottom End redone or Snort Kit + extras?
What kind of rough figures do you think I'd be seeing with either? Would be Stg4 Snort Kit on low boost if went the turbo route... |
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| Disco Frank |
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f**k dude for 8k u could get a full rebuilt engine AND turbo not sure if it would be the stg 4 but very doable
cant see u paying more than 3k for a full engine rebuild 4k tops but that would have to be full balanced and bluprinted engine then depending how much u can do the turbo maybe 4kish
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I would get both done, an engine that is setup well that can perhaps run a lpg turbo application with a stronger bottom end and a T04Z with a kit.
The stage 4 snort kit needs the upgraded fuel pump, injectors and ecu plus tune. which is expensive. But on lpg it will be cheap to run and you dont need the pump, injectors or ecu 
plus making it legal is very easy and cheap from there.
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| doofus |
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ECU, Tune, Exhaust, Cooler + piping, injectors, fuel pump.
If you do all the work yourself, you'll save a lot. But getting a workshop to do it all will makie it more expensive! 4k for the rebuild, and save some more for the turbo. No way you can get both done in 8k.
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i voted rebuild engine and put the rest towards a proper turbo setup.
but, you could spend the 8K on a half decent turbo setup and whent eh engine blows up go to the wreckers and buy an other engine for a few hundred dollars. you'll go through about 5 engines buy the time you would have spent the same money on rebuilding the one you have. It all comes down to how much power you want |
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| Waggin |
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Go the turbo for sure.. get your head around your turbo setup, and if you decide to go bigger and better, then eventually build a stronger bottom end to suit.
A rebuilt NA 6cyl, no matter what you do to the bottom end will not produce exciting performance. Plenty of people have demonstrated bolting on turbo kits (and back yard kits) and acheiving 200-250RWKW quite easily on 200,000+ KM engines with good reliability. Reliability will ultimately get down to the tune, so make sure you spend attention (and money!) to your fuel and ECU!
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| MICKYYYY |
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Bottem end rebuild with ACL race series would cost max $3000.00 and that includes shot pend rods.
I would go for a 6 boost turbo kit as his turbo manifolds are FU*%ING AWSOME and i think it would cost $4000.00 and he can also build u a dump pipe. Then you have ECU and fuel system & install and tune to do which can go up to $6000.00 if you use a Autronic or Motec but can half the cost if you use a Microtech, Haltech E8 or EMS. If you only have 8k right now i would do the turbo setup and ECU and get a good tune as the 4L is a tough engine and with a good tune it will last till for a while till you have money to do rebuild.
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| InspectorRectum |
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Honestly I had planned to rebuild the bottom end with whatever it needs- ba pistons, spool rods, the whole works on the bottom end.. how much would that cost plus labor? cause there's no way I can do that stuff myself.. what kind of gain would i expect from a rebuild + stregthen?
somewhere in there, either with the kit or rebuild would be a head and cam package totaling about $1500? id go with CMS so what's needed for a turbo setup? stg4 snort kit would be my pick at the moment but ill check out other kits ~$4000 that would push the rwkws past 200 i would imagine so the T56 would have to go in... what's that like $4000? then ECU $2000 ill probably go with the EMS8600(?). fuel system allow $1000? tune ~$1000... thats: $9000,could get away with $8500 probably plus 4 so that's $12,500 on what would think is nessesary... but the boost will be limited till a rebuild how much can that stock bottom end take? one other thing, can anyone tell me how long it takes the turbo in the stg4snortkit to kick in? no point getting one that takes till 4000 to get goin Last edited by InspectorRectum on Sun Nov 23, 2008 11:57 pm, edited 1 time in total. |
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| doofus |
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Mate, It'll be more then $11.000 if your thinking about a T56.
If your really serious about the turbo route. Stick with the auto and buy the whole thing slowly. Plus the install is what will kill it in the end! As for the stock bottom end. I wouldnt really know, but from what ive read, they handle close to 400rwkw with only a headpackage.
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Can anyone recommend any good fellas that can rebuild/stregthen/blueprint,etc the I6?
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| needfordspeed |
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How much power do you want?
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| InspectorRectum |
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As much as I can get without spending extravagent amounts... 400-500rwkws? but until I have the money for a t56 and rebuild I'll only get it tuned to about 200rwkws which will still be a big improvement over the 130ish i have now
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| krisisdog |
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Wow 400+rwkws....... yup.... ok.... might want to quadruple your budget....... then double it
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| needfordspeed |
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4-500rwkw is gonna need at least $25k just for the driveline, esp if you can't do the work yourself.
Would be enough power to put you in the 9's. Try for 250-300rwkw and then drive it and see if you think it's enough. I don't think you really know how much power 4-500rwkw is, the cost difference between 4-500rwkw would be massive, not a good idea to just throw those numbers around lol. IMO get a snort stg3 (or similar, there's plenty out there, i'd personally make up my own kit) and spend the rest on a tune/proper fuel system/to get it running. Get it tuned to around 250rwkw and see how you go, going from 130 to 250 is massive anyway
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Lets try and keep it serious. A street driven Falcon is not going to run a 9 even with 500rwkw. Quite a few XR6T's are getting around with round about 400rwkw. When you have that much power you driveline setup is just as important as your power with regards to the quarter mile.
T56 conversion I would budget around 10k with the usual extra 20% for something to go wrong and cost more money (always does with these things).
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