Fordmods Logo

EF bbm power/torque gain 

 

Page 1 of 1 [ 7 posts ] 

 
 Post subject: EF bbm power/torque gain
Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 9:58 pm 
Stock as a Rock
Offline

Age: 37

Posts: 109

Joined: 11th Nov 2006

Gallery: 10 images

Ride: ED fairmont turbo

Location: sunshine coast
QLD, Australia

I know this subject is old but just wanted to know if anyone has any real proof that the bbm is a better choice than log manifold? Like some dyno figures or 1/4 mile times

 

_________________

ED Fairmont: Master Power GT45, race spec T5, Wolf v4, 870cc Injectors, EF bottom end, EF Head, Surcam custom Grind Cam, Crane LX92 Coil

Top
 Profile  
 
 
 Post subject: Re: EF bbm power/torque gain
Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 10:05 pm 
Getting Side Ways
Offline

Posts: 6449

Joined: 11th Nov 2004

ed_fairmont_turbo wrote:
I know this subject is old but just wanted to know if anyone has any real proof that the bbm is a better choice than log manifold? Like some dyno figures or 1/4 mile times


ford wouldn't have used it if it didn't work
Top
 Profile  
 
 
Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 10:11 pm 
Stock as a Rock
Offline

Age: 37

Posts: 109

Joined: 11th Nov 2006

Gallery: 10 images

Ride: ED fairmont turbo

Location: sunshine coast
QLD, Australia

thats a good point, but ford also changed the diff ratio and non tickford vehicles to 3.08:1 to to increases fuel economy so was the bbm just another fuel saver and a low end torque increase for the way tall diff ratio?

 

_________________

ED Fairmont: Master Power GT45, race spec T5, Wolf v4, 870cc Injectors, EF bottom end, EF Head, Surcam custom Grind Cam, Crane LX92 Coil

Top
 Profile  
 
 
Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 7:59 pm 
Getting Side Ways
Offline

Age: 49

Posts: 1343

Joined: 14th Dec 2007

Gallery: 1 images

Ride: EL fairmont offroader

Location: seaspray
VIC, Australia

At a guess the bbm is about 10kg heavier, so it has to compensate for that too.

While ford reverted back with some things, such as rocker cover design, and ignition lead placement, it has stayed with the bbm.

A challenge to assessing their worth is that the inlet system changed at the same time. Perhaps most notably getting much longer.

 

_________________

wrecking 9/97 EL fairmont sedan burgundy 6cyl auto 270k modBAintake

Top
 Profile  
 
 
Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 10:55 pm 
Getting Side Ways
Offline
User avatar

Age: 39

Posts: 1832

Joined: 3rd May 2007

Gallery: 8 images

Ride: AUII XR6 Uterus

Location: South Coast
NSW, Australia

for the cost of a bbm these days it's well worth a play with. i know i bought one years ago n am still impressed by the differences between the manifolds, then the difference between the butterflies open n closed with the eecIV

 

_________________

Not to get technical, but according to chemistry alcohol is a solution.

Top
 Profile  
 
 
Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 12:27 pm 
Getting Side Ways
Offline
User avatar

Age: 52

Posts: 3424

Joined: 23rd Dec 2007

Gallery: 32 images

Ride: BA XR6T (mix of BA, BF and FG)

Location: Perth
WA, Australia

The idea of the bbm is very good.. the log manifold is a compromise to give the best performance for low and high RPM.

The BBM allows them to have the manifold change to better suit low/high rpm rather than compromise somewhere in the middle.

VCT does for Cams, what BBM does for intake manifolds.. It changes it to better suit the current environment rather than having to choose one setup that doesn't hurt either high or low rpm too much but compromises both abit to do it.

Obviously if you are blown with turbo or SC then it's a moot point because the air is forced in, in either case, but for NA, the torque and power curves seem to be wider on the EF- than the EA-ED's and that would most likely be mostly because of the BBM.

As someone said, this would be considerably more expensive for ford to manufacture over the log... they would almost have to be a lot better for ford to consider the extra expense worth it.

Also JMM loves the BBM and has said the motors with them are the best ones to push to the edge. (Up to you whether you choose to value his opinion).

Rgds

Frank
Top
 Profile  
 
 
Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 2:34 pm 
Tyre Shredder
Offline

Age: 43

Posts: 387

Joined: 30th Nov 2007

Ride: AU111 XR6 VCT Supercharged

Location: Brisbane
QLD, Australia

For those interested, do a seach on www.autospeed.com

There's a detailed article on the operation of intake manifolds, which deals specifically with dual runner intakes and the ford bbm.

They describe it basically as a cheat which works quite well, giving long runners for low down torque, and short for high rpm, in a compact package.

 

_________________

FOR SALE! - Supercharged AUIII XR6 VCT, intercooled, T5, big brakes.... details in the 'For Sale' section - ford-parts-for-sale-f17/fs-supercharged-au-xr6-vct-series-iii-intercooled-rwc-rego-t114254.html

Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:
Sort by  
 Page 1 of 1  [ 7 posts ] 

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Google Adsense [Bot] and 110 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

 

 

It is currently Fri Nov 29, 2024 11:44 am All times are UTC + 11 hours

 

 

(c)2014 Total Web Solutions Australia - Australian Web Hosting and Domain Names