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um ok then, you dont have a clue what you are talking about.
EL will beat VN,VP,VR,VS and VT, VT being the slowest of them all.
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yes VT is the slowest.. i seen it happen today. sitting at lights a stock VN and a stock VT/VX both took off foot to the floor and the VN wopped the VT/X's a***... you could tell both were stock.
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EB MAN wrote: The V6 is better. produces more torque down low where it counds.
Just go grab a auto VN and a Auto EL 4L The VN will absolutely punish the EL falcon off the mark and the falcon doesnt have the grunt topeg it back. V6 and lighter weight and better gearing equals heaps better performance. The VT will slog the AU in a straight line. Those V6s are known to go for 300,000km without an oil change. The i6 gives up the ghost at about 150,000km. (new head gasket required) Go the VT haha this post tells me just how little you no about motors. its been proven many times that a ford i6 makes more power and torque EVERYWHERE in the rev range. ill offer you a chance to probe your honesty. ive got at home my dads el stock as a rock, its got 3.9 diff gears, but hey a holden vn's and vt gears will still be shorter. if ysou can beat me in a race from 0-160km/h with a stock vn or vt. ill honestly give you my my old mans car. but if i win im taking yours... and another $5000 cause im going to burn the pos after im sick the these fuking dum d**k. 300,000km with out a oil change??? what drugs are you on??? a vn v6 leaks more oil then 4 liters a month you fuking C**k sucker ford motors are known for the long life you wanker, ive seen taxi's that have past a mill km'z and still going strong.
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ROFL... long live the rivalry.
you one eyed ford boys will have to put your foot in your mouth soon though when the falcon drops its I6 and goes a v6 
the problem with I6's is the weight, it always was the problem.. u can balance a v6, you cant make an I6 light. its straight meaning a long a*** crank, long a*** cam(s) lots of main caps.. an alloy block would of been nice, too bad it never happened. The current trend of automotive tells you V6's are superior, every manufacturer has turned to them. Only people left with I6's would be BMW and that wont last very long. Practically wise however, especially if you are going to turbo.. I6's are in a world of their own. V motors are filth to add turbos to and having an exhaust side and inlet side on an Inline motor is heavenly... its an area where V motors will always have a huge disadvantage. To sum that up, if you're going a performance turbocharged engine, practicality wise, Inline OWNS V. |
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V6's arent superior in terms of power or torque, but in terms of weight, fuel economy and EMISSIONS yes they are QTRJET, i think thats the reason ford will be moving to v6 in 2010.
i think if your going any sorts of peformance i6 is the way, heaps of power to be made with out much spent. seriously im not being ignorant, but ild rather any v6(mitsibishi, toyota etc;) over a holden v6
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EB MAN wrote: Those V6s are known to go for 300,000km without an oil change.
my parents own a vt (and have since new), and that thing is at 220000, has had head gaskets done twice plus has needed a heap of other stuff done to it (hoses, radiator and other craP). My parents owned my car (EL) since new before i bought it off them, its done 198000, got head gasket changed 10000km ago. Both cars are serviced very regularly, the VT has rarely been driven hard (only when i have driven it). I have done a burnout day in mine plus drive it fairly hard often. VT jumps my car off the line, but from rolling start I could munch it (even with 3.08 gears  )
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QTRJET wrote: ROFL... long live the rivalry.
you one eyed ford boys will have to put your foot in your mouth soon though when the falcon drops its I6 and goes a v6 the problem with I6's is the weight, it always was the problem.. u can balance a v6, you cant make an I6 light. its straight meaning a long a*** crank, long a*** cam(s) lots of main caps.. an alloy block would of been nice, too bad it never happened. The current trend of automotive tells you V6's are superior, every manufacturer has turned to them. Only people left with I6's would be BMW and that wont last very long. Practically wise however, especially if you are going to turbo.. I6's are in a world of their own. V motors are filth to add turbos to and having an exhaust side and inlet side on an Inline motor is heavenly... its an area where V motors will always have a huge disadvantage. To sum that up, if you're going a performance turbocharged engine, practicality wise, Inline OWNS V. I take it you haven't had a drive of a 1987 Mazerati 425 BiTurbo??? its a 4 door sedan, 2.5lt V6, EFI and twin turbo, with twin intercoolers, all standard factory fittment. This particular one was a 5sp manual. Its rear wheel drive. It spins the wheels in 3rd at 100kmh when foot to the floor, so this V6 twin turbo absolutely hauls. Anyway, a 90 degree V6 is a terrible thing to balance, look at the Holden pushrod V6. It has a balance shaft, offset crankpins, and special engine mounts and when those mounts sag, thats it, a vibrating piece of sh!t. Look at Mits V6, 60 degree, no balance shafts, smooth as at idle. The Holden pushrod V6 is an antiquated piece of crap. It will be interesting to see how the DOHC V6 of Holden's will stand the test of time. The main reason for going to V6 engines is they are short, better balance for the handling of the car, and can make the cabin have more room, without lengthening the car. My 2 cents.
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And I have a customer at work that has replaced 2 Alloytech's already, while we have another in the shop now for excessive oil consumption
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macxr8 wrote: And I have a customer at work that has replaced 2 Alloytech's already, while we have another in the shop now for excessive oil consumption
even the LS had oil problems at first... I cant comment on an alloytec as i havent driven one yet but still for all the hype, that alloytec doesnt seem to be anything spectacular.. especially since toyota and mitsubishi have bought out rivals to take it on, and i think possibly even having better economy (why they made FWD is a mystery of life) dont get me wrong, my next project will be a ford 6 i cant wait to play with them.. like i said, nothing compares to the perfect motor for turbocharging than an inline motor. |
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QTRJET wrote: macxr8 wrote: And I have a customer at work that has replaced 2 Alloytech's already, while we have another in the shop now for excessive oil consumption even the LS had oil problems at first... I cant comment on an alloytec as i havent driven one yet but still for all the hype, that alloytec doesnt seem to be anything spectacular.. especially since toyota and mitsubishi have bought out rivals to take it on, and i think possibly even having better economy (why they made FWD is a mystery of life) Yeah, FWD is crap. Torque steer city. Look at BMW's philosophy, " The wheels that drive the car, shouldn't steer the car."
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you people are pathetic... same old questions... sad!
Who gives a rats about it... Fordmods... Ford MODS
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the v6 and i6 both have inherent positives and negatives.
the i6 has a broad torque curve, solid reliabilty (will run even with gasket shot to s**t), great upgrading capacity, availability of parts. also has problem with blowing gaskets due to different metal compositions, and failure of peripherals (mostly due to the longevity of the engine). the v6 has ability to rev further, more compact engine making weight distribution more even. it costs more to "do up" on average, since the cams are located under the head, its an older more primative design with less refinement. lesser torque production than ford i6. the list is a lot longer on both sides both for and against but Im too drunk to really get full on about it. IMHO the i6 is the FAR better deal than the V6. would not go any other way.
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EB MAN wrote: The V6 is better. produces more torque down low where it counds.
Just go grab a auto VN and a Auto EL 4L The VN will absolutely punish the EL falcon off the mark and the falcon doesnt have the grunt topeg it back. V6 and lighter weight and better gearing equals heaps better performance. The VT will slog the AU in a straight line. Those V6s are known to go for 300,000km without an oil change. The i6 gives up the ghost at about 150,000km. (new head gasket required) Go the VT You havent got a f**k clue what your on about
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cjh wrote: QTRJET wrote: macxr8 wrote: And I have a customer at work that has replaced 2 Alloytech's already, while we have another in the shop now for excessive oil consumption even the LS had oil problems at first... I cant comment on an alloytec as i havent driven one yet but still for all the hype, that alloytec doesnt seem to be anything spectacular.. especially since toyota and mitsubishi have bought out rivals to take it on, and i think possibly even having better economy (why they made FWD is a mystery of life) Yeah, FWD is crap. Torque steer city. Look at BMW's philosophy, " The wheels that drive the car, shouldn't steer the car." BMW also has a very proud tradition of inline sixes, and I hope that doesn't change any time soon.
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EB MAN wrote: The VT will slog the AU in a straight line. Those V6s are known to go for 300,000km without an oil change. The i6 gives up the ghost at about 150,000km. (new head gasket required) Go the VT What drugs are you on????? You gotta be to make a statement like that. Heres a VS Commo with 180K on it. Lack of oil changes will kill ANY engine, no matter who makes it. Heres an old saying, " Its better to be thought a fool, than to open your mouth ( in this case, type it ) and remove all doubt."
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