Fordmods Logo

Using vacuum leak for performance 

 

Page 1 of 2 [ 18 posts ] Go to page 1, 2  Next

 
 Post subject: Using vacuum leak for performance
Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2014 9:59 am 
Fordmods Newbie
Offline

Age: 44

Posts: 16

Joined: 2nd Apr 2011

Ride: speedway

Location: hobart
TAS, Australia

Hi, just a quick question. Can I use a vacuum leak as an extra way of getting more air into the engine.
I know it'll prob be rough at idle, but at revs won't it just suck extra air in, therefore gaining power as long as there's enough fuel goin in also?
Top
 Profile  
 
 
 Post subject: Re: Using vacuum leak for performance
Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2014 10:10 am 
Moderator
Offline

Posts: 14489

Joined: 7th Nov 2004

Ride: AU XR8

Location: a shit suburb in sydney
NSW, Australia

:roll: ummm no,
Top
 Profile  
 
 
 Post subject: Re: Using vacuum leak for performance
Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2014 12:29 pm 
Getting Side Ways
Offline
User avatar

Posts: 1412

Joined: 21st May 2005

Location: Melbourne
VIC, Australia

The throttle blade is the biggest vac leak you can get.

A small pipe disconnected is going to do SFA at WOT.
It will only stuff up your idle and increase your cruising fuel usage.

 

_________________

EL Fairmont Ghia - Manual - Supercharged
- The Car
- The Headlights

Top
 Profile  
 
 
 Post subject: Re: Using vacuum leak for performance
Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2014 3:27 pm 
Fordmods Newbie
Offline

Age: 44

Posts: 16

Joined: 2nd Apr 2011

Ride: speedway

Location: hobart
TAS, Australia

I've heard road race guys angle machine half the inlet port manifold, so that only half the manifold face seals against the head, therefore leaving a gap at the bottom of the manifold.
Apparently at high revs on carby engines, the engine sucks extra air through this gap, basically doubling the amount of air goin into the engine.
My question is, would this work successfully?
Top
 Profile  
 
 
 Post subject: Re: Using vacuum leak for performance
Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2014 5:36 pm 
Parts Gopher
Offline

Age: 55

Posts: 86

Joined: 3rd Mar 2006

Ride: EB GT fakey

Location: cairns
QLD, Australia

This also bypasses your air cleaner/filter and lets crap into your combustion chamber. I wouldn't do it to a daily driver myself as unlike a race engine I wouldn't want to pull it down every few months to recondition it. This practice also leans out the air/fuel mixture which comes with it's own problems
Top
 Profile  
 
 
 Post subject: Re: Using vacuum leak for performance
Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2014 5:52 pm 
Moderator
Offline

Posts: 14489

Joined: 7th Nov 2004

Ride: AU XR8

Location: a shit suburb in sydney
NSW, Australia

not to mention if you introduce a vac leak to each port in the manifold, it would probably idle around 2500rpm...lol
Top
 Profile  
 
 
 Post subject: Re: Using vacuum leak for performance
Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2014 6:06 pm 
Getting Side Ways
Offline

Age: 48

Posts: 4604

Joined: 23rd Nov 2006

Gallery: 4 images

Ride: 5.0 AU's and 5.0 Maverick

Power: 139 rwkw

Location: Sydney West
NSW, Australia

Does your motor have under 100000km?
I think the vegetable might be back.

 

_________________

xr6turnip wrote:
More people paid for a ride in a VT commodore then an AU Falcon so the VT is superior.
Based on that fact my Mum is the best around!

Top
 Profile  
 
 
 Post subject: Re: Using vacuum leak for performance
Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2014 6:21 pm 
Fordmods Junkie
Online
User avatar

Posts: 3968

Joined: 22nd Jan 2009

Ride: '03 BA & '06 BF Wagooons

Location: Geeelong
VIC, Australia

Matt_jew wrote:
Does your motor have under 100000km?
I think the vegetable might be back.




does sounderr...... suss :shock:
Top
 Profile  
 
 
 Post subject: Re: Using vacuum leak for performance
Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2014 7:07 pm 
Fordmods Newbie
Offline

Age: 44

Posts: 16

Joined: 2nd Apr 2011

Ride: speedway

Location: hobart
TAS, Australia

It is for a race motor, and each inlet runner has a ball valve and little air filter on each one, would it run fine at high revs if tuned like that?
Top
 Profile  
 
 
 Post subject: Re: Using vacuum leak for performance
Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2014 8:00 pm 
Moderator
Offline

Posts: 14489

Joined: 7th Nov 2004

Ride: AU XR8

Location: a shit suburb in sydney
NSW, Australia

dave7040 wrote:
I've heard road race guys angle machine half the inlet port manifold, so that only half the manifold face seals against the head, therefore leaving a gap at the bottom of the manifold.
Apparently at high revs on carby engines, the engine sucks extra air through this gap, basically doubling the amount of air goin into the engine.
My question is, would this work successfully?



dave7040 wrote:
It is for a race motor, and each inlet runner has a ball valve and little air filter on each one, would it run fine at high revs if tuned like that?


hang on....
which is it??
did you forget what you posted first?

why bother when you can use larger throttle body?
Top
 Profile  
 
 
 Post subject: Re: Using vacuum leak for performance
Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2014 8:55 pm 
Fordmods Newbie
Offline

Age: 44

Posts: 16

Joined: 2nd Apr 2011

Ride: speedway

Location: hobart
TAS, Australia

That's the thing, can't use a bigger throttle body, it's actually a carby engine, and our rules don't allow us to go any bigger.
So I've heard of guys angle machining the inlet manifold face, but I'd prefer to weld in breathers on each inlet runner with air filters
Top
 Profile  
 
 
 Post subject: Re: Using vacuum leak for performance
Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2014 9:00 pm 
Getting Side Ways
Offline
User avatar

Age: 56

Posts: 6467

Joined: 18th Dec 2006

Ride: 93 ED sedan

Power: 161 rwkw

Location: Rockhampton
QLD, Australia

So, your looking for an idle speed of about 2,500 rpm then ?????

 

_________________

http://youtu.be/jJTh9F3Vgg0

Top
 Profile  
 
 
 Post subject: Re: Using vacuum leak for performance
Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2014 10:05 pm 
Fordmods Newbie
Offline

Age: 44

Posts: 16

Joined: 3rd Dec 2014

Location: Albany WA
WA, Australia

What class of speedway are you in and what engine? Crossflow??
Top
 Profile  
 
 
 Post subject: Re: Using vacuum leak for performance
Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2014 8:53 am 
Fordmods Newbie
Offline

Age: 44

Posts: 16

Joined: 2nd Apr 2011

Ride: speedway

Location: hobart
TAS, Australia

Its an EA 4ltr with a 350 Holley
Top
 Profile  
 
 
 Post subject: Re: Using vacuum leak for performance
Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2014 12:39 pm 
Fordmods Newbie
Offline

Age: 44

Posts: 16

Joined: 3rd Dec 2014

Location: Albany WA
WA, Australia

productions or modifieds? the biggest thing I found during flow testing for speedway engines with there restrictions is to make sure there is no restriction before the carb itself, you need at least a 14in x 3in filter to give enough surface area of filter, you need the 3in minimum height as to not choke to top air entry into the carb.
I will assume that your running the cpi manifold with a holley adaptor, porting the radius into the runners from the plenum area gives good gains, the manifold itself is not a bad unit. DO NOT have air pulled in from the runnuers after the carb, it will lead to lean outs and dead engines, you can sneak a bit of unmetered air in through the pcv fitting from the base of the carb, just plumb this into the "clean" side of the aircleaner, being from a central point you can tune the carb for this extra air.

Removing the choke horn from the carb showed no airflow improvement on the flow bench, using the 500 base blended properly into the 350 body is the go, also slimming down the boosters gain flow. Machining the throttle shafts is another good gain in flow through the carb, making a carb top to smooth the entry of air into the carb is a worthwhile exercise as well.
Here are some pics of a webber carb with some of the mods which can be done to the holley.

Holley 500 base on 350 body

Image

Doing the choke removal did nothing for flow

Image

Webber carb top and machining throttle shafts

Image
Image
Image
Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:
Sort by  
 Page 1 of 2  [ 18 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2  Next

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 69 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

 

 

It is currently Sat Nov 23, 2024 5:59 pm All times are UTC + 11 hours

 

 

(c)2014 Total Web Solutions Australia - Australian Web Hosting and Domain Names