To use Xenon Bulbs in a Halogen Projector will be more or less the same as the after market Xenon kit you and most of the guys have right now.

The Major factor to look out for is the form and design of the reflector of the projector.

It is imperative to match the right type, length and size bulb in the right reflector.
If not the whole idea and all the hundreds of hours of work and reasearch that was invested in fine designing and tuning of the focal centre of that reflector will be totally a waste of time,

The beam pattern will be totally different than the one the reflector was designed for.

Not only will you not be able to get a proper beam spread, inserting a different type/size and length bulb will create glare and is highly dangerous on the road.

The focal centre of each reflector is specifically tuned for a specific bulb.

So, if you ask me, don’t waste time on the H11 Projector.
Believe me here in our studio, we have played with probably more than 500 different types and combinations of which 99.999999% don’t work at all.

So, as I have said all along : Choose the correct combination from the start, or it will cost you a lot more than it should, making unnecessary mistakes and wrong choices.

Good hunting on eBay.

Have fun,
mavs19

So you are saying I realy should sell my current HID kit now ... and invest in a new kit suited to the projector i purchase????

YES!!!!! Please!!!!!
You will thank both yourself and me later.

Have fun,
mavs19

That's what I have been thinking as well ... I'll sell it for a song ... hee hee ... I know someone out there will want it ... so i can re-coup some cash as well.

When removing the after market kit from your headlights, MAHE SURE that you are very careful so you don’t brake or damage the return wire of the bulbs.

What type (make and model) ballast do you have in the kit?

You may be able to use it with your NEW D2S bulbs in your NEW Bi-Xenon Projectors.

Have fun,
mavs19

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I am using the JSM brand ... complete plug n play .... has a socket the connects to the original 3-prong factory headlight loom.

The wiring harness that came with the HID kit was easy to connect up ... all plugs have waterproof clip-in connectors with rubber grommets around them.

They all plug into each other ... the only thing that was made up was the connecter that was connected to the battery and to earth ... that was all.

I'll see if i can have a look at a Honda Euro ballast .... and see if the power rating is the same as mine ... and see if i can have a look at the Hinda loom as well ... I might be able to tap into it.

Or if i can find a decent pic of the the other projector bi-xenon kits .... the only problem is the price though ... I haven't checked it out yet.

For those who don’t know:

A ballast is:
A ballast will supply HID bulb with monitored and consciously regulated voltage.

What determines a good quality ballast?
A good ballast is one that is used by OEM. Examples would be Philips, Hella, s**t.

An igniter is:
Some ballasts have ignitor function bulit in, others don't. An igniter will supply HID bulb with temporary high voltage (23kV) until arc is created inside HID bulb.

Can a ballast be replace with a different brand, from an electrical standpoint?
Yes, it will work, but it will not be optimised. The life expectancy of HID bulb can be lowered, the ballast can be overloaded. The key here is that a ballast is designed for a specific HID bulb. Expect to see differences in among various ballast brands:
• Start up sequencing.
• Length and shape of ignition pulse strike.
• Length and shape of transition from ignition pulse to maintenance voltage.
• Detect and vary parameters for various bulb temperatures.

Can different brand ballast and ignitors be mixed?
Not recommended. It will in most cases work, however some parts in the HID system might suffer an early death.

All electrical components of a HID Xenon Kit are waterproof, since the Discharge voltage is 25000 volts.
A zap from that and you will have a quick visit to your ancestors that is if you are lucky.

Find out what type of discharge unit is used by the manufacturer of your kit.
Also if possible take a picture of the Plug at end of the bulb, you never know both your ballast and the plug could be used, so all you loose is the bulb that needs to be replaced with a D2S one.

Have fun,
mavs19

Have been reading a little further on a few overseas HID forums as well and trying to see which projector HID kits are out there too.

'll try and get a close up pic of a kit with the same connects as I have on the back of my current globe setup.

Funky looking Sylvania kit

OK ... there are quite a few kits in the US going for about $350-$400US for OEM kits from Euro cars.

Is that when you got your's for????

I am going to check out if i can get a full Honda Euro kit with ballasts and everything though from Oz first though.

For the Futura Wagon shown in the picture earlier posted, we bought 2 original headlight assys complete with discharge and bulbs.
Pulled it apart, studied the set up carefully.
Then we purchased a set of headlight assys for the Futura, pulled them apart, made drawings and mock-ups and templates for everything before starting to cut etc.

I thought that chances of you or anyone else, spending that sort of money were very slim, thus the suggestion of looking into the overseas market.

If you can get a complete OEM set for around 350-400 US (if your budget allows) GO FOR IT.
It will be far cheaper than the Prototype we made.

We looked at the Sylvania kit, but found the measurements somewhat too big.
Unless you got a round or a full sized reflector it is going to be very tight to fit it in, specially since it is a n all in one unit. Also have to make provision to allow the heat produced by the unit to be properly ventilated. Which is another problem to spend some time to think and solve.
But, it can be done, provided you got space.
However, it is short.
But not as short as Hella Bi-Xenon Projectors.

Have fun,
mavs19

P.S. Let me tell you, you won’t be able to use the shroud. It is way tooooooo big.

I was wondering if the shrouds would fit ... I have seen a few and they look quite large indeed.

I'll see how i can go ... might be able to get a full set of Euro headlights with ballasts and wiring ... have seen a driver's side light with a slightly damaged outer casing ... everything else was good.

The difference between RHD and LHD is not much.
It is all in the shield.
The shield is cut so that by reversing it you get either LHD or RHD.
So if you find a US version (LHD) version and the price is suitable, buy it.
All you need to do is remove the lens and it’s holder, reverse the shield and reassemble the lens.
In some cases the shield is bend in the corners etc. But it is nothing that a little bit of thinking and remanufacturing could not fix.

Start by mapping out your headlight assy. Take some measurements to find out how much room you got in there and also take a look at how far back you can go before you hit other vital parts in the engine bay.

Now you have a good idea of what you can do and it is going to be much easier to look for the right kind of projector that will fit in your car.

Here is an idea of how a shield could look like in a Bi-Xenon Projector.
Note the top of the shield on the back. The cut on the top is what differes LHD and RHD.
Have fun,
mavs19

 

 

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Haven't had a chance to look into this lately ... have been way too busy.

Will see if i can find a set of Bi-xenon headlights out here ... might be able to through a panel beaters ... depends on what models come through.

Just came back from a trip. Saw some of the NEW and LATEST TOYS to be released on next generation of vehicles on the OEM and (as usual) soon on the After Market scene.
Some real mind blowing stuff in the pipelines.
Can’t tell much right now, but, will let all know as soon as I can.

So why not contacting a couple of local wreckers and ask for BMW Bi-Xenon Projectors, Xenon bulbs and the discharge unit. Even if you get only one side it is a good start.
All wreckers usually can access each others stock online and if they haven’t got it themselves, they can probably find it for you, from somewhere.

Ask if they got a BMW 3 or 5 series after 2000 in stock. Some times you could be lucky and the headlight assy is still sitting on the vehicle, in which case take some tools and do the honour yourself. It will be cheaper too.

Today there are several vehicles using Proper Bi-Xenon Projectors in their headlight assys.
So finding one should be easy. Well to a degree. Luck has a lot to do with it as well.

BMW, AUDI, Honda are the most common ones and have the best systems.
Then there is: Jags, Mini, Alfa, Volvo, Saab, Ford US, Citroen, Peugeot, MB,…. Just to name a few.

Good luck.
Have fun,
mavs19