I'm not taking the piss (well, actually, yes I am) but are you blokes having trouble seeing?

You do realise how annoying and dangerous (if not positioned correctly) these lights are to on-coming traffic....

Each to their own I suppose....

It all depends on your wiring and set up.
Ford has many set ups. Some of the systems have a 2 filament Hi/Lo (H4) with a second Hi reflector (H7) in the same headlight assy, and some only 1 Hi/Lo filament bulb i.e. H4 and so on. Using a variety of different Halogen bulbs.
Unfortunately in some of the cases Ford (or the manufacturer of the headlight assys together with the manufacturer of the vehicles) have decided that in the first scenario (1xH4 + 1xH7) when pressing down the Hi/Lo lever to turn Hi beam on the Lo filament of the Hi/Lo bulb is turned off.
Only the Hi beam filament is then turned on together with the filament in the second reflector (H7).
However, if you pull the lever up to flash Hi/Lo, ALL 3 filaments are turned on.
I.e. Mechan1k has this on his set up and so does all BAs.

Which means that since the HID has no filament and the Ballast has only 2 wires (one positive and one negative). When connecting the wires to the H4 connector of your vehicle, you can only use the negative and the positive wire leading to the Lo beam. Leaving the wire for Hi beam disconnected.
Therefore when you push down the Hi/Lo lever to Hi position, since the wire for Hi is not connected to the Ballast and the lead for Lo is turned off. Sadly the HID system is also turned off.
But if you pull the lever up you got light (HID plus Hi from second reflector).

But don’t worry there are ways to fix this problem.




Thanks for mentioning this problem.
That is what we have discussed during this thread and I have been trying to remedy.
Hopefully none of the members on this forum will ever be the cause of blinding others on the road, even if it is for a fraction of a second.

Answer to your question: No, none of us blokes are having trouble seeing.
However, by upgrading our headlight bulbs with more advanced products available in the 21st century, we are trying to make sure that we can see more of what is on the road so we can avoid it faster than others who sadly and stupidly think they are better drivers or have X-Ray vision and can see it all.
You know, the type of people who are causing majority of accidents happening every day.

Seeing and being seen on the road is the single MOST important safety issue of driving.
As you know there are a lot people out there driving on the roads who don’t even think it is necessary to turn on their lights, even when it is really dark.

Hope to at least SEE you on the roads.

mmm Thats very true mavs n i live in the hills so i wanna make sure i can see as much as possible without causing glare to other drivers.

With the Hi/Beam, yeah mines the same Mechan1ks and prolly all the rest you pull back to get all 3 filament lit up, this wont be hard to get around will it?

Pulling is not the problem. Pushing, however, would be. Pushing the lever down will turn the HID bulbs off.

If you can get hold of a copy of the wiring diagram for your car, I will tell you how to fix this minor problem.

Then you will have your HID bulbs on all the time eliminating the problem of turning them on/off. Your HIDs will be on all the time and at the same time your second (Hi beam from H7) will work when pushing or pulling the lever as usual.

Ill have a look in my book sometime today and post it up.. My Hi beam's are H3s

Im glad that someone is taking the time and effort to help out on this mod as it is a very popular one.CHEERS! Does that mean there isnt any aftermarket gear that i could put in my headlights that will give an acceptable or even great beam spread?

Unfortunately, unless the reflector is specifically manufactured to be used with a HID Xenon bulb, the answer is NO.

There are very few reflectors specifically designed by OEM for use with a HID Xenon bulbs.

Rest of reflectors used by OEM are made ONLY for use with Halogen bulbs.
Unfortunately a reflector designed for Halogen will NOT work properly (if at all) with HID Xenon bulbs.Here is one see pic. Notice the pattern and the shield.

However, there has been few cases were reflectors designed for SAE (Society of Automotive Engineers) standards have worked perfectly with a HID Xenon bulb. But I know of only 8 such cases.
There are also some JDM (Japanese Domestic Market) reflectors that seem to be working "OK" and emit a sort of acceptable beam pattern.

There are few ways that one can use HID Xenon bulbs and obtain acceptable beam pattern.
1- Do what we are trying to do on this thread which is to build a shield that harnesses the beam emitted from the HID Xenon bulb inside a Halogen reflector.
2- Retrofit a Xenon or Bi-Xenon Projector which obviously will give a perfect beam pattern and cutoff.
3- Retrofit a Reflector Designed for HID Xenon bulb use in a standard headlight assy.

Best result will obviously be obtained using option 2.

 

 

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From talking with the old man he advised the ones I was gonna get were the philips D2S...theres a D4S and D4R now ? nothing on the Philips website regarding them yet.

Was a philips H1 HID Conversion Kit to fit EF XR falcon. Part Number 85801 that might be private Ingrams number tho.

The main thing for me is to run all 4 head lights at the same time..yes for looks but still. Whether it be halogen, xenon or bi-xenon. I can give the modified projectors ago just I dopnt feel confident myself yet playing with this sorta stuff with such expensive give...Id rather pay for the good philips stuff when my old man can do warranty work if needed etc rather than the ebay stuff.

If you look at the early pages of this thread, I mentioned about D4S and R while back ago and also explained what the difference between the D2 and D4 was.


First of all thank your old man for suggesting real good stuff and not telling you to buy junk sold on eBay. He obviously cares for you and your safety.
eBay kits are nowhere near as good as real Philips kits.
In regards to your question the ONLY thing that needs to fit is the base of the HID bulbs. They MUST correspond with the type of Halogen bulbs that your headlight reflector is designed for.
i.e. if your standard Halogen bulbs are H4 then your HID bulb MUST also be the same.
As you know D2's or D4's have a round base made to fit in a projector.
If the bulbs in this kit are for H4, good you don't have any problems.
But if they are genuine D2's then you either need a conversion plate/ring or if you are a good handyman you could always rebase them. The base is made of hard plastic and easy to cut and rebase.
But then I doubt even your old man can help you if you need to call on your warranty.

By the way can you find out what the set up of the kit sold by Ingrams is?
We know that the bulbs are philips D2S. What about the ballast and igniters?

Re: Retrofitting a Projector.
Find seocnd hand headlights from a wrecker and play with them so you get more confident.
It is not that difficult.
What you do is take pic of every step and post them. I will then run you through what nedds to be done next.
Since the begining of this thread I have been waiting for a brave sole who is prepared to retrofit so I can walk them through the steps.
Once you have done one lens you realise how easy it is.
The only thing that you need to do during the entire operation is planning and thinking before you do it.

You can have a set up with all 4 headlights on all the time. In the main headlights you install the Philips HIDs sold by Ingrams and in the smaller ones have a pair proper 55W Xenon filled “Halogenâ€￾ bulbs.
Just make sure it is from a major manufacturer, i.e. Osram, Philips. Otherwise the other stuff sold in the market are mainly nothing else than painted Halogen bulbs.

By doing so you can have all 4 of your headlights on all the time, and I doubt you will ever be needing or using your Hi beams.

However, if you decide to go the Projector retrofit way, there are, as you know, 2 options.
Option 1 is Single Xenon projectors. Cheaper to buy and easier to find.
Option 2 is Bi-Xenon Projectors. A bit more expensive but a far better option.

The only difference would be that Bi-Xenon projectors have a couple of wires that need to be connected to your Hi beam.
Rest of the job is exactly the same in both options.

You could also go ALL the way and install a couple of Xenon or Halogen Fog projectors in the smaller headlights.
You would then need a second HID Kit for the fog projectors.
If the projectors are Xenon ones you need to buy a kit with D2 bulbs.
If they are Halogen projectors you need to buy a HID kit with corresponding base.

This set up would be somewhat more expensive but would an AWSOME looking piece of artwork.

Ok guys i got my kit in and she's working really good I love it.. Think i would have been happy with the 6000k tho insted of 8000k but eh its done now...

I took some pics for ya mavs ill post what i can up for ya tomorrow. I know im gonna be wrong in saying this but they look pretty even and light up every thing tops. But we'll see what ya reckon.

Havent been flashed as yet n i drove from scabs @ 8:00pm to perth n forrestfield then to greenmount just now and it was all good. Its amazing how even if there's heaps of other cars around u eg on the freeway, how much of the HID's stand out on the signs and everything.

Here's a quick pic i took with my phone.

 

 

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Yeah my ol man has been an auto elec for ages then moved into sales - Ingrams supplies auto electrical and airconditioning componnts australia wide - mainly to trades not advertised as a public approachable joint.

Will ask him today bout the ballast and igniter specs.

Would take me a while longer to save for the 2nd HID kit but I would be very keen to attempt the dual HID kists with the halogen fog projectors in the smaller reflectors.

8:00PM you say??? Was that you???
Hmmm, I thought they turned on the lights at WACA for a game or something. Haha.

That’s good, I am really happy that you are so please and happy with your HIDs. There is a huge and noticeable difference, isn’t there?? Now you understand what they mean when they say:

“And Then There Was Lightâ€￾

Looking forward to see some good pics from the light pattern: in front of your car on the ground, on a wall and close up with and without the lights on.

How about saving for a set of Projectors first then saving for a second HID kit?
That would make much more sense. Don’t you agree?

Hey SIM what kit did u get and from where?