look out everyone! this threads full of thinkers!

Hmmm, thinking thinking, hmmmm thats is a great idea. I'll try that and Garth I will put a micro switch on it, hehehehehe.

For the entirety of this testing i have been using bp 91 fuel, but yesterday i was at a different bp site & noticed sticker on the pump saying "up to 10% ethanol added" (and price was no different to normal 91)
My question - can anyone tell me with any authority if this is the case with all bp sites or just some.
BTW - i seriously don't like ethanol unless price was something like 15% cheaper cos that's the sort of mileage u lose.

P.S. Marcus - maybe u should start a swinging thread - probably get plenty of takers.

Update,

today i got hold of some KOH (potassium hydroxide). And it is good gear!
Only takes small amount to produce plenty of gas.

Problem is i found out the hard way just how potent it is, - cleaned out electrolyser and dosed it with KOH to be running at about 8amps then drove about 45 km, got back and opened bonnet, - cell was running about 20 amps and almost too hot to touch, - will have to build new housing now since it has changed shape a bit too.

Probably need to use sewer quality pvc instead of storm water stuff.

definitely need to relocate amp meter to inside cab also.

here is a pic of the damage.

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no, most bp stuff (shouldn't) have E anything in it. that many two stroke lawn mowers would explode if there was.

that said, up in qld the systems are a little different. as far as i know, all fuel with any E mixes MUST be disclosed on the bowser.

I would love to build a setup like that, (never thought of using a water pump like that before but it makes sense) but at the moment i am a bit short on resources & time that it would take, maybe i could put it on the 30 year plan.

yeah, a simple thing like that would be great for little r&d backyard stuff.

a guy, Nankerviss? lives up the road from me. amazing, builds 502 twin turbo blocks all custom for southern 80 boats. he's amazing. 1200hp from these motors and stuff. a lazy 1200.

he decribed a system to me, the motor to a pump, to a butterfly or pinch valve. pressure gauge on the pump side, on the other down stream a bit, a el-cheapo radiator and 12v fan to keep the water from heating too much, but thats not a nessisity

Has anyone else tried to build a hho generator yet?

Main reason i started this topic was to try & encourage more people to experiment and share successful ideas.

I'm sure it would be possible to improve on the 30% mileage increase that i have achieved, but need to improve on cell design in particular.
e.g. better reliability, dos & don'ts, etc.

Any takers?

Hi Guys, yes I have one fitted to my EL and actually works!
I made it from the details at www.water4gas.com
Engine runs much smoother
Get about 50-60 km more per tankfull
Produces more power
Gearchange is much smoother.
all from a drop of distilled water & baking soda.
Recommed to anyone.

g'day Robert, glad to hear of your success.

have u had it installed for very long?

and do u have many issues with cell maintenance?

can u elaborate at all on what materials u made it from?

Do have a look at the site I mentioned as it will explain all the details and materials needed better than I can explain in a short post like this.
Let me know once you have looked through it and I can then advise on alterations I made.
I have only had running on vehicle for a couple of months and as yet have not experienced any problems.
I looked through many designs before deciding this was the simplest and easyest to make. Cost about $30 to make!!!

Yes, i am familiar with that site, it was probably the main motivation for me to start experimenting originally.
I think early on in this thread i posted a link to their entire manual, if not it is here -
http://www.water4gas.com/members/dwnld/User-Manual.pdf

ok, her goes:
Obtained my mason jars from Robins Kitchens-about $8.00
I ordered/imported the plastic caps (I have 2 boxes)
I got an offcut of 5mm perspex - $5.00 enough for 10 cores.
cut slots in the perspex down the sides for wires to locate in.
Used 316L welding wire for electrodes (double). Found this a bit more spingy than would have liked but ok.
Other bits, stainless 10mm nuts & bolts, one way valves, sprinkler system dripper etc., from local shops
Found needed about 70cm of wire as opposed to 30cm as mentioned in site. They must have ment using single strand?
Apart from that, made up pretty much as described.
As you are aware, this is a Hydrogen assist unit, safe, with no Hydrogen storage.
I use half a teespoon of baking soda per litre and is drawing less than 2 amps(have a 5amp fuse fitted). This was a main reason to run with this design (with lightweight wire) as other designs draw much more current as I am sure you have experienced.
As I said before, all is working well and I expect to wash out the jar once a month. have topped up every 2 weeks as is about an inch down.
Have just fitted an EFIE unit to the oxy sensor (ordered for Eagle research) so expect fuel savings to go up a bit more.
Keep in touch.
Rob.

Robert,
thanks for the replies, - very helpful.

hope it inspires more people to go ahead with this.

Also answers a question that i was wondering about - whether those american EFIE units would be compatible with aus. vehicles.

thanks again.

Hi Garth, I agree in that I think more people should run with a hydrogen assist unit, not only for the fuel saving (they say about $1000 a year and I would have to say it apears about correct), but also for the far less emissions the exhaust puts out. Must be a good thing.
The EFIE was very easy to fit and adjust. It will work on all vehicles that have normal Oxygen sensors (one for each sensor required). The only type it will not work on are the variable reistance types.
With the good exchange rate we have at the moment, it was less than half price of the ''kit'' you can buy at Jaycar to do the same job.
I can recommend it.