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Probably the wrong forum for a thread on fuel saving, garthr. the i6 isnt the most fuel savvy car on the road. more a forum for outright performance. (i know i keep beating a drum about this, but we need figures. without picutres, it didnt happen)
that said, more people should be interested.
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fiftyone wrote: Probably the wrong forum for a thread on fuel saving, garthr. the i6 isnt the most fuel savvy car on the road. more a forum for outright performance. (i know i keep beating a drum about this, but we need figures. without picutres, it didnt happen) I thought it was a forum for anything ford. And i reckon that adding hydrogen to the mix to improve efficiency should yield better gains on a machine that is more wasteful to start with. - hence the lesser gains with diesel compared to petrol & lpg, especially in thirsty V8s in F trucks & such.
that said, more people should be interested.
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we're mainly e series. and too silly to know how much petrol we waste.
im interested though. now boy, enterain me...
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Where do you get off fiftyone????
This forum is the alternative fuels and we can discuss whatever we want under that heading. Not all of us are too silly to be very interested in where this thread is headed. I am very likely to try a HHO generator myself in a few weeks. Who wouldn't like to increase power and lower fuel consumption and emissions with a cheap simple device?
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garth need to get a unit to pressurise to over come tubo pressure . my intercooler and turbo would make a nice size boom with a back fire . (can deisels back fire ? guess if valve dosnt seal ) i think an adjustable pressure release one way valve should work(got them at work . i would use a flashback arrestor to save my ranger from becoming a space ship lol
how much pressure will i need ? can you measure it ? the manifold would be the best place to inject the hho. what you think?
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had a thought if i presurise the unit with conpressed air this would be a safer way to make pressure without making or storing large amounts of gas 12v conpressor or a engine driven one like a air con unit .
talk to you tomorrow.cheers andre
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Andre, wouldn't be that hard to get pressure - just minimise air space in cell as much as possible and make sure that it is air tight - i have read of units that are producing 75psi just from the gas forming - that was a setup for welding (actually had pressure sensor to shut it off if it went over that.
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allcutup wrote: had a thought if i presurise the unit with conpressed air this would be a safer way to make pressure without making or storing large amounts of gas 12v conpressor or a engine driven one like a air con unit . talk to you tomorrow.cheers andre so like a system, replumbing the ac to such and compress the HO gas to inject it? i cant really think it would give any real benifate. but it would be interesting to see if it actually improved / reduced the economy. then figure out why the hell it does it. at least i'd find it interesting. i assume the hyro would compress? Rick's EF Fairmont Wagon wrote: Where do you get off fiftyone????
This forum is the alternative fuels and we can discuss whatever we want under that heading. Not all of us are too silly to be very interested in where this thread is headed. I am very likely to try a HHO generator myself in a few weeks. Who wouldn't like to increase power and lower fuel consumption and emissions with a cheap simple device? Sorry rick, i only jest. it doesnt come through well in text. i'd test it if i wasnt worried id forget something and find a piston in my sump. gathar didnt think it improved power to much. i think it may only give better low end torque as theres not enough gas ( i dont think) to supply a motor that big with what is still being developed. that said, a fully tested highly effiecent unit, off the shelf with plug and play ability, and i'd jump on it.
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Update.
been testing with KOH at minimum amps for last couple days, running at 2.6 amps my cell is making just on 100ml per min. doesn't seem to be quite enough though - mileage over 221.6 kms 19.68 L adds up to 11.26 kpl (32.02 mpg) which is only 16% improvement. have to up the amps a bit more and try again.
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garthr wrote: Update.
been testing with KOH at minimum amps for last couple days, running at 2.6 amps my cell is making just on 100ml per min. doesn't seem to be quite enough though - mileage over 221.6 kms 19.68 L adds up to 11.26 kpl (32.02 mpg) which is only 16% improvement. have to up the amps a bit more and try again. Garthr, How does this sound to you? One large tube separating the electrolyte into two or three separate electrolyte compartments. Each compartment runs and anode neutral cathode combination. Each cell to draw 2 amps per compartment. Put simply a number of Small cells doing the work of one large cell. From what I have been reading two amps produces reasonable levels of HHO. Fifty-one in twenty years you'll understand why us older blokes look at this for the fuel saving and power rather than dynos and numbers. Put mathematically HP and KW = $$$$$$$$$$ therefore HP and KW = Mortgage repayments, bills, kids lifestyle and keeping wifey happy (a near impossible task for the average bloke) . So as fuel costs $$$$$$$$$ and rising rapidly, multiply that by more HP and KW. You end up with HHO gas = FRIEND !!!!! (I hope the humour comes through the text) Most of all it is just damn good fun tinkering with this stuff and getting it all to work. It replaces the urge to build a kit car from scratch from the household savings and getting us divorced. Keep up the great work all sincere regards, 
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Quote: How does this sound to you? One large tube separating the electrolyte into two or three separate electrolyte compartments. Each compartment runs and anode neutral cathode combination. Each cell to draw 2 amps per compartment. Put simply a number of Small cells doing the work of one large cell. From what I have been reading two amps produces reasonable levels of HHO.
Max, sounds like an ideal sort of setup -(6 virtual cells), just wire it all in series & you would have just over 2v across each. Assuming voltage of system with engine running is 13 - 14 V
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maxnett wrote: garthr wrote: Update. been testing with KOH at minimum amps for last couple days, running at 2.6 amps my cell is making just on 100ml per min. doesn't seem to be quite enough though - mileage over 221.6 kms 19.68 L adds up to 11.26 kpl (32.02 mpg) which is only 16% improvement. have to up the amps a bit more and try again. Garthr, How does this sound to you? One large tube separating the electrolyte into two or three separate electrolyte compartments. Each compartment runs and anode neutral cathode combination. Each cell to draw 2 amps per compartment. Put simply a number of Small cells doing the work of one large cell. From what I have been reading two amps produces reasonable levels of HHO. Fifty-one in twenty years you'll understand why us older blokes look at this for the fuel saving and power rather than dynos and numbers. Put mathematically HP and KW = $$$$$$$$$$ therefore HP and KW = Mortgage repayments, bills, kids lifestyle and keeping wifey happy (a near impossible task for the average bloke) . So as fuel costs $$$$$$$$$ and rising rapidly, multiply that by more HP and KW. You end up with HHO gas = FRIEND !!!!! (I hope the humour comes through the text) Most of all it is just damn good fun tinkering with this stuff and getting it all to work. It replaces the urge to build a kit car from scratch from the household savings and getting us divorced. Keep up the great work all sincere regards, I'd love better fuel economy, im a uni student after all!
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foggy wrote: Just another couple of quick questions has it made any difference to the running temperature of the car and any idea how many amps this thing is pulling??
Good luck something i have noticed about temp, - after cold start in the morning, temp gauge has just started to move by the time i get to turn 2, which is about 1km sooner than before. So the actual combustion temp probly is a bit hotter.
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Have been testing with many different settings over last couple days, and can't seem to get any better than 12kpl (34mpg) (is city driving tho).
Come to the conclusion that it seems to be much better to inject gas into manifold using vacuum, so i'm about to change back to that system. Mileage seems to be average of only about 25% increase with snorkle input, doesn't seem to change much with extra gas production.
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garthr wrote: foggy wrote: Just another couple of quick questions has it made any difference to the running temperature of the car and any idea how many amps this thing is pulling?? Good luck something i have noticed about temp, - after cold start in the morning, temp gauge has just started to move by the time i get to turn 2, which is about 1km sooner than before. So the actual combustion temp probly is a bit hotter. Garthr, Have you cracked the plugs out for a look to see how the combustion affects them, if at all? Do you need to adjust your plug type for better reliability? sincere regards, |
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