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fiftyone wrote: Bloody hell, more ppl are coming out of the woodwork with there systems.
what instrumentation are you all using? i assume you are all fairly closely spaced as you are all from GC QLD? btw, keep up the good work, i admire the commitment here. what do u mean by instrumentation?
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more measuring equip (rules, vernias)
Multi-meter secondary AF meter in the cars. how do you find your lpm of gas production? etc any other little tricks? sorry, im finding looking over the shoulder of you guys quite interesting
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Hi Guys,
Just thought you might be interested in this link http://zerofossilfuel.angelfire.com/efie.html This site gives a schematic for an EFIE so you can make your own. I will be getting of my backside soon and making a unit as I have an AU ute on the way. Keep up the good work. |
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foggy wrote: Hi Guys,
Just thought you might be interested in this link http://zerofossilfuel.angelfire.com/efie.html This site gives a schematic for an EFIE so you can make your own. I will be getting of my backside soon and making a unit as I have an AU ute on the way. Keep up the good work. That looks very useful. wonder if he has worked out a PWM also.
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fiftyone wrote: how do you find your lpm of gas production? etc
any other little tricks? sorry, im finding looking over the shoulder of you guys quite interesting The method that i use to measure lpm is a bottle (water bottle or soft drink bottle) totally full of water, upended in a bucket of water with the gas tube inserted into the spout, then turn on gas and stopwatch and let the gas displace the water for 30 sec or a minute (depending on how much of a hurry i am in) Then measure how much water it takes to refill. Quicker way is to put marks on the bottle in graduations of 50, & 100 ml and just time how long to displace whatever quantity u like in seconds, then just convert to minutes with calculator. Generally have to make a fresh measuring bottle every time because it gets too tempting having a bottle half full of explosive gas sitting around & someone usually ignites it (they make a very impressive bang - even with only 100/200ml of gas)
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Came across something interesting on the net last night, this bloke (that seems fairly knowledgeable on the subject) was adamant that an efie is not neccessary, - his logic was that if u are not getting any gains from an efi vehicle you simply are not producing enough gas. So the bigger the motor the more lpm u need.
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Hi Garthr,
Interesting, though not logical. As a mechanic, I have to dissagree with this guys thoughts. The whole idea of a O2 sensor is to ensure the mixture ratio stays the same. If something alters or ''goes wrong'' the ECU will adjust accordingly to keep it the same. With my EL, I did see an increase in fuel km, but without kidding myself, it was mainly due to driving more carefully than the addition of the HHO. With the EFIE unit fitted and adjusted (adjusted slowly over a couple of days), it was only then that I could honestly say I was getting better fuel consumption. I have tried dissconneting the HHO with the EFIE still fitted and the engine goes flat as a pancake with a huge flat spot just off idle which is due to the weak mixture (too weak to run properly). Re-connecting the HHO makes the engine run normaly again. Rob. |
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Robertkelley wrote: Hi Garthr,
Interesting, though not logical. As a mechanic, I have to dissagree with this guys thoughts. The whole idea of a O2 sensor is to ensure the mixture ratio stays the same. If something alters or ''goes wrong'' the ECU will adjust accordingly to keep it the same. With my EL, I did see an increase in fuel km, but without kidding myself, it was mainly due to driving more carefully than the addition of the HHO. With the EFIE unit fitted and adjusted (adjusted slowly over a couple of days), it was only then that I could honestly say I was getting better fuel consumption. I have tried dissconneting the HHO with the EFIE still fitted and the engine goes flat as a pancake with a huge flat spot just off idle which is due to the weak mixture (too weak to run properly). Re-connecting the HHO makes the engine run normaly again. Rob. Thanks Rob for clearing that up. i must admit it did sound a bit strange especially since so many people say u need the EFIE. and running the unit without the HHO is indeed proof. thanks again BTW what sort of mileage figures r u getting with the efie setup and hho? P.S. (also proof that u can't believe everything u read on the net)
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Hi Garth and Robert
after all the test you have done is there a optimum ratio of hho liters to cc or liters ? is this level is attainable without making the system to big ? could you make a system that would fit on a motorcycle ? yeah and garth you know that lighting the hho in coke bottles is great fun but in town the neighbours dont like their paintings shook off the walls .lol keep up the posts i see there is quite a few ppl watching the results . cheers andre
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Hi folks,
As per my previous mention, I am getting a little over 500 to the tank which is about 100 better than I was getting before fitting the HHO unit and the EFIE. So about a 25% increase for my first ''fit-up''. As time allows, I am going to put a ''six-pack'' together (I shall start with 2, then 4 and then 6) and run this to see how much difference it produces. Techinically, with 5 or 6 time the amount of HHO, it should make a difference. In the W4G site, it did make a 16% difference over a single unit. Does'nt seem a lot but will see what it does over a couple of tankfulls each time before the next two are added. |
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Has anyone ever tried mounting an O2 sensor in non-efi motor and using it as standalone unit to measure air/fuel mixture?
i know jaycar do a $15 kit for a air/fuel meter, but i think it requires the ecu to be running the O2 sensor. (supply voltage for the heater etc.) Any ideas? Should i start a separate topic about this?
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did a bit of googling & found this:
http://autospeed.com/cms/article.html?&A=0217 looks straight-forward enough, but just wondering if it would be accurate enough? (the wideband setups look very expensive) any thoughts?
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garthr wrote: Masier wrote: Garthr have you installed a efie yet?? No - the hilux is not efi But check Robertkelley's posts - He has successfully fitted one to an EL Oops, missed that. Have you leaned out the carby with the Carburetor Enhancer or something like it?? Link down the bottom. |
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Masier wrote: Oops, missed that. Have you leaned out the carby with the Carburetor Enhancer or something like it?? Link down the bottom.
No not yet, - but that carburetor enhancer looks interesting, i didn't know of such a setup before, thanks. (something else to try out when i get some time)
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is the hho suitable to use with lpg systems does any body know???
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