I got my first set of plates from the rubish dump of all places for $2
Then I went to a engineering place & asked for any off cuts and they gave me 14 plates of 150x150 SS.

I am still in the process of getting my big plates to work but my first plates are OK. When cold they only push out 200-250ml. But after about 15 mins they push out 800-900ml. (5 plate @ 8amps -n+n-)

Take note of Garthr and his sugestions above they are fantastic first starter tips... (Yes they helped thanks heaps!!! )

I had to laugh real hard today. During my reaserch on this topic I found an interesting read about Rhodes gas,Brown's gas, Klein gas,HHO,Hydroxy, oxyhydrogen,hydrogen or whatever you want to call it.

It is a good read about the history and what not.
http://www.phact.org/e/bgas.htm

anyway One bloke said something that I have actually though of and this might sound sad I even have an answer for it.

efarmer Quoted = "The saddest thought for me, is that of one of these water powered car guys, standing in front of the urinal, and having to watch all of that raw horsepower go down the drain."

Man I have the answer for him but Hey why give him the laugh!!!

by the way does anyone know how to lean the mixture on a Vialle LPG system 2003 vintage on a fairmont??

Mate,
I sourced mine from a sheet metal fabrication mob on the Sunny Gold Coast. No good to you I know but check out sheet metal places in your area. BTW, 304 Stainless is about half that of 316. The boys I bought mine from said they've tested the 304 against the 316 in the weather. 304 actually lasted better. I've used 2 100mm x 70mm plates to start and 6mm stainless rod. Fair production at 7 Amps.

I also got some excellent production using only the 6mm stainless rods. 3 to 5mm apart achieved good results. It's a good place to start and cheaper if you can't get the stainless plates easily.

Sorry all. Can't get the video to play for a post.

All the best
Sincere regards.

I am still in quandary about this HHO.

Normal km is between 430km to 500km Depending on the temp when I fill up. Summer 430km(40-C) Winter 500km(-5-C)

I put my first test on and I lost out. Due to high amps. only 350km for 68 litres (Dual fuel 99 AU Fairmont Viallie System) "371,000km on the clock"

My second test so far I have done 412 Km off 68 litres and still have about 50K left so it is looking good.(I Hope)

I have noticed though that at high speed i.e. 110km/hr it is not as effective. (I drive 110km to work each day 80km is highway.)

I have heard about the O2 sensor. Does anyone know how I can check if my LPG system uses the O2 sensor?? also is there an easy way to either disconnect or fool the O2 sensor in the AU.

Gooday , I am very interested in this Hydrogen boosting stuff.
Garth's original question was anyone using it?...... Well I am.
I would like to help with getting some of your units Making Big Volumes of Hydrogen -Oxygen......and I would like to learn about its use with LPG.
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Garth - You are on the right track with the 3 mm spacing between plates.
Dont change this . I have made some Very Good units....BUT I did not
construct them to last. The Best Electrolyte is Potassium Hydroxide.
The one that is more available is Sodium Hydroxide.
Look in the Hardware shop for Heavy Duty Drain Cleaner. The one you want is the one with the Highest % of Sodium Hydroxide.
In USA it is RED DEVIL something .... It would be good to use PURE Sodium Hydroxide [ Caustic Soda ] if you can get it.
I use Potassium Hydroxide [ the stuff used for Liquid Soap ] . If you
want the best - I can get a supplier for you if in Sydney.
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Best Stainless to use is 316 or the one with Highest percentage of Nickel.
[ hope I got that right ]
I got some from a Scrap dealer too. You take a Rare earth magnet and
test the amount of magnetism by touching magnet to stainless.
Good stainless will not be attracted even with Rare Earth magnet.
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My favourite unit [ there are many types that can be built - some are
really poor performers.! ] has 8 plates. Each plate is at least 150 mm
x 150 mm but Bigger is Better - within reason -you do need to find place
to put it.
Plates are 3mm apart - this is optimum for allowing bubbles to escape
But needs Very strong electrolyte. This is the key to Huge gas production and efficient use of Energy.
Only the outside Two Plates are connected to the ALTERNATOR [ well battery if you cant get at alt..].
All plates are sealed around their bottoms and sides. There is a Gap over the top of the plates to collect gas. Units like this with Pot Hydroxide
usually pump out 1.5 L per minute at about 14 A and 13.8 V
once they warm up.
I have a Mate - Warren who is running his car at 18 : 1 petrol ratio
and using Hydroxy Gas [ thats Hydrogen and Oxygen mixed ]
to allow it to run without pinging or any loss of power.
He uses a special device to Offset the O2 sensor to allow comp to run
Without OVER RICHENING the mixture.
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This Over Richening effect is what is happening on Roundtwoit 's car.
I have seen it happen many times when Hydroxy is used to Boost
Fuel.
The Hydroxy produces more oxygen in the reaction of burning and the Oxygen sensor detects an over rich effect so Comp pumps much more Fuel in.
Of course you need to be careful when leaning off the Petrol mixture.
You dont want to go too far. I use Water injection on my set ups
to safe guard against high Combustion temps [ in case my hydroxy
production falls off. ]
I have run one unit on my Missus car for over two years.
It is however a very poor unit and I havent been game to lean off the petrol
mixture. it just makes the engine smoother and a little more power.
More later.
Glenn

Most important Thing .......
Please be very Careful when Experimenting with Hydrogen.
Always use a Bubbler to avoid explosions.
A bubbler is a Type of crude Gas Fuse.
This type is required for hydrogen becasue of its Fast burn rate and small
atomic size.
- The output Hydrogen is fed to the bottom of a container with water in it.
The water acts as a barrier, the gas bubbles to the top and then another tube delivers the hydrogen to where needed.
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Do NOT store Hydrogen. Make it with electrolyser then direct into air inlet
on car straight away. If not being used in car - Vent to safe Outside Air
after bubbler.
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Here is a link to a Very nice guy , that has helped Many of us experimenters to progress. Funnily enough , he doesnt believe in Hydro Boosting. But Helps out regardless.
http://www3.telus.net/chemelec/Projects ... tender.htm
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The circuit you want is the revised one Chemelec did.
Please drop him a Line and tell Him you appreciate his help.
He can provide PCB [ He Lives in Canada ].
I made it from Electronics Peg board.
- Those that are against Hydroxy Boosting will find Much ammunition
on his Site. It took me much effort to get him to make an efficient
Electrolyser - after he claimed Outright that it could Not be done.
He changed his mind on that one, but still refuses to accept the
Improvement in Fuel consumption that is possible.
Glenn.

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Now I have a question for Roundtwoit.
Where did you get the idea to run Hydroxy Boosting with LPG?
Do you have a link I could look at?
- I really want to convert my car to LPG [ preferably Liquid Inject - if
I can Afford it ] and I am curious about the advantage of Hydrogen
added to it.
I know that Hydroxy Boosting increases efficiency of burning Petrol, but
LPG is all new to me.
Glenn.

This is a pic of some Bubblers.
Please ignore the fact that there are two in Parrallel - just testing
ideas.
Its the Bubbler that I want to draw your attention to.
It has Hose going in through neck and to the bottom.
Then the pipe out of the top " above the water " goes to the inlet air pipe
or air box. If it were a better pic - you would be able to see the water
in the bubbler has bubbles rising in it.
This was a good unit except for my poor building design.
The glue I used to assemle it was blue Conduit cement - this works well for a couple of months then allows Hydroxy to sneak past....DOHH....
Glenn.

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My construction idea - which would be good if Hydroxy and Potassium Hydroxide did not
affect it........................
Note: this is Half made, I was testing more plates and Higher voltages.
Whilst this is not applicable for simple boosting, the construction idea is valid.
See 3 mm spacing.
and hopefully see strip across bottom [ thats furthest end of plate - its laying on its side for pic. ]
Notice end plate has bent over tab to connect stainless steel Bolt - through top plate. there would be another at the other end of the unit
when finished.
Glenn

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Cheers for the tips guys, great to see photos of how your projects are being made.

As for the electrolyte, I've seen footage of some insane gas production from distilled white vinegar, and the guy running those experiments claims no sludge or discolouring of the plates.

I can't remember how long the fluid lasted though with the volume of gas produced.

Sorry Glenn40 I have not seen anywhere where it is used with gas I am just going into unknown territory...

If I find anything I will let you know. I figure that Since LPG has gone up from 35c to 72c in the last 3 years and I drive 110km to work alone...220km/day.. I have to start getting serious about saving some cash. My fuel bill went from $60/wk to $100/wk $160/mnth is better in my pocket if ya know what I mean.

Rats , was hoping it was a proven thing.
Oh well - the principle of using Hydroxy is that it improves a fairly inefficient burning of the
Petrol.
Is LPG burning inefficient as well.?
I expect it is not too bad - because it already is a gas, It will mix well with the
air pretty well.
There is one aspect that may help in my oppinion........it revolves around the
theory of Water injection.
Some experts think that water droplets are turned instantaneously to Super Heated steam.
The expansion of this can aid the push on the piston. This is where Hydroxy may
assist with the introduction of water droplets - Hydroxy burns Extremely Rapidly and would increase the effect of the superheated steam.
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Well thats my theory anyway.
You would need to offset that O2 sensor- Warren - on his can turn the O2
sensor to make the computer adjust to 19 : 1 .
Then have a fairly good supply of Hydroxy and water injection
to test out this theory.
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What is the Low Revs [ Initial ] Timing for your car Roundtwoit?
Glenn. [ ps. another pic of my unit putting out]

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My systems..

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Ok it is 20 plates....the one above....
Its putting out 1.4 Litres per min.
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The next one [ BELOW ] has larger plates. although still 20 of them.
It put out 2.5 L / min.
Now this is all with straight DC... albeit 35 V.
You can still make a unit for 13.8 V that can put out over two Litres per min.
Probably try plates - 200 x 200 mm . 8 plates [ thats 7 cells ] but needs Electrolyte Potasium Hydroxide at 26 % concentration with Distilled Water
and 316 stainless.
Glenn

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How many volts and how many amps are going through to get that.
My current system pulls 8-9 amps and gets 1.1litr a minute.
Electrolyte is 1 litre of normal tap water to 1 tablespoon of Caustic Soda

The timing on my car is stock standard I have not changed it at all.(I would not have a clue. I will have to check!!)

cheers cool pics.