Fordmods Logo

internal or external wastegate 

 

Page 1 of 1 [ 8 posts ] 

 
 Post subject: internal or external wastegate
Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 10:15 pm 
Getting Side Ways
Offline

Age: 39

Posts: 1112

Joined: 18th Jan 2005

Location: MAFFRA
VIC, Australia

whats the difference and advantages or dis advantages of each?

 

_________________

97 el xr6,5 speed short shifter,sequential scoop,no arial,freshly resprayed,low on 17's,3 inch zorst,stainless hi flo cat,snort stage 3 stainless manifold,garrett t04e,front mount cooler,wolf 3d ecu,seimens 760cc injectors,walbro fuel pump

Top
 Profile  
 
 
Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2006 11:44 am 
Getting Side Ways
Offline
User avatar

Age: 45

Posts: 724

Joined: 11th Nov 2005

Gallery: 1 images

Ride: BF Fairmont

Location: Melbourne
VIC, Australia

Simple answer internal sux suffers from boost spiking (very bad for your motor) Whereas external rocks if set up properly. Very very basic i kno but thats it in a nutshell.
Top
 Profile  
 
 
Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2006 2:20 pm 
Getting Side Ways
Offline

Age: 38

Posts: 3894

Joined: 15th Nov 2004

Gallery: 24 images

Ride: BF MKII V8 Fairmont Ghia

Location: Perth
WA, Australia

anrent xr6t's internal?

they seem to go alright

 

_________________

2007 Steel BF Ghia MKII V8 - 19" GTP's + Superlows

Top
 Profile  
 
 
Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2006 5:06 pm 
Getting Side Ways
Offline
User avatar

Age: 71

Posts: 3555

Joined: 7th Nov 2004

Gallery: 4 images

Power: 482 rwkw

Location: Penrith
NSW, Australia

{USERNAME} wrote:
anrent xr6t's internal?

they seem to go alright

NO they don't!! They can spike like Mr Miligan...
Though I have found electronic boost controlers like turbosmart help in big way as it holds waste gat shut till set boost THEN opens ...
The mechanical control type wastegate in both in / external "can" suffer these issues if not set up correctly , a big trbo on low boost requres a big wastegate.. Generally up to 600 h.p is about the limit with internals gates.. YES the XR6T is 700 h.p... ButI'm yet to see one make that power with std turbo etc.. With std gate etc....It has todo with design of exhaust system too.. I have made a shield in my dump pipes to prevent turbulance also helps wastegate, some early turbo's had some exhaust doing 90* bends as it enters dump pipe...This is a bad design...

 

_________________

As in ZOOM 126 edition
331 Dart block,3.25/ 4340 steel crank, Oliver rods,TFS ported track heat heads, TFS track heat inlet Twin SC61 turbo's
Project 1UZ-EF has started.. S475 Turbo 4.0 V8 Mustang Celica.....

Top
 Profile  
 
 
Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2006 9:48 pm 
Getting Side Ways
Offline

Age: 40

Posts: 868

Joined: 23rd Sep 2005

Ride: eb falcon

Location: kadina
SA, Australia

the xr6t version of 35/40 is rated at 600hp, since it has the .5comp cover

 

_________________

EB 4L, 8.4:1, R154, GT4202r, 4in exhaust, Greenslade Engineering exhaust manifold, plenum chamber, 90mm throttle, Garrett W2A cooler, Surecam custom, autronic SM4, Bosch 120lb, Crane HI-6, LX-92, LM-1, Turbosmart Reg, 2x bosch 044, turbosmart 48 gate. 470kw+ @ 18PSI

Top
 Profile  
 
 
Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2006 11:51 pm 
Getting Side Ways
Offline
User avatar

Age: 45

Posts: 724

Joined: 11th Nov 2005

Gallery: 1 images

Ride: BF Fairmont

Location: Melbourne
VIC, Australia

{USERNAME} wrote:
{USERNAME} wrote:
anrent xr6t's internal?

they seem to go alright

NO they don't!! They can spike like Mr Miligan...
Though I have found electronic boost controlers like turbosmart help in big way as it holds waste gat shut till set boost THEN opens ...
The mechanical control type wastegate in both in / external "can" suffer these issues if not set up correctly , a big trbo on low boost requres a big wastegate.. Generally up to 600 h.p is about the limit with internals gates.. YES the XR6T is 700 h.p... ButI'm yet to see one make that power with std turbo etc.. With std gate etc....It has todo with design of exhaust system too.. I have made a shield in my dump pipes to prevent turbulance also helps wastegate, some early turbo's had some exhaust doing 90* bends as it enters dump pipe...This is a bad design...


Much more technical version of my above "internal = crap" :P
Top
 Profile  
 
 
Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 1:00 am 
Getting Side Ways
Offline
User avatar

Age: 71

Posts: 3555

Joined: 7th Nov 2004

Gallery: 4 images

Power: 482 rwkw

Location: Penrith
NSW, Australia

I'm running 588 rwhp / 438 rwkw and have NO issues with boost control...My fabicating must be better then...
Yes external is more efficiant but I wouldn't write internals off altogether...
As said alot is in design as another thread on here .. Has had issues with external gates....

 

_________________

As in ZOOM 126 edition
331 Dart block,3.25/ 4340 steel crank, Oliver rods,TFS ported track heat heads, TFS track heat inlet Twin SC61 turbo's
Project 1UZ-EF has started.. S475 Turbo 4.0 V8 Mustang Celica.....

Last edited by EBXR8380 on Wed Sep 27, 2006 1:19 am, edited 1 time in total.

Top
 Profile  
 
 
Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 2:27 am 
Getting Side Ways
Offline

Age: 40

Posts: 868

Joined: 23rd Sep 2005

Ride: eb falcon

Location: kadina
SA, Australia

{USERNAME} wrote:
I'm running 588 rwhp / 338 rwkw

you sold yaself short, you mean 438rwkw

 

_________________

EB 4L, 8.4:1, R154, GT4202r, 4in exhaust, Greenslade Engineering exhaust manifold, plenum chamber, 90mm throttle, Garrett W2A cooler, Surecam custom, autronic SM4, Bosch 120lb, Crane HI-6, LX-92, LM-1, Turbosmart Reg, 2x bosch 044, turbosmart 48 gate. 470kw+ @ 18PSI

Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:
Sort by  
 Page 1 of 1  [ 8 posts ] 

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 26 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

 

 

It is currently Mon Dec 23, 2024 4:31 pm All times are UTC + 11 hours

 

 

(c)2014 Total Web Solutions Australia - Australian Web Hosting and Domain Names