Fordmods Logo

BOSS 335 GT Runs 12s 

 

Page 3 of 6 [ 81 posts ] Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6  Next

 
 Post subject: Re: BOSS 335 GT Runs 12s
Posted: Fri Nov 05, 2010 11:21 am 
Fordmods Addict
Offline
User avatar

Age: 38

Posts: 7958

Joined: 1st Jun 2005

Gallery: 13 images

Ride: Falcon

Power: 237 rwkw

Location: Melbourne
VIC, Australia

no you don't, just have to agree to forum rules.

 

_________________

ED XR8 Sprint - S-Trim, V500, 249rwkw
BF MKII F6 Tornado - 237rwkw

Top
 Profile  
 
 
 Post subject: Re: BOSS 335 GT Runs 12s
Posted: Fri Nov 05, 2010 12:42 pm 
Getting Side Ways
Offline

Posts: 5503

Joined: 20th May 2005

Gallery: 11 images

Ride: EB1 Fairmont Ghia T5 Wagon

Location: Seven Hills, Sydney
NSW, Australia

Thank you for that.

Cheers
BenJ

 

_________________

{DESCRIPTION} - Current Ride
{DESCRIPTION} - Previous Ride
My respect and thanks go to - snap0964, Paulmac, SWC and MRE-50L

Top
 Profile  
 
 
 Post subject: Re: BOSS 335 GT Runs 12s
Posted: Fri Nov 05, 2010 4:43 pm 
Getting Side Ways
Offline
User avatar

Age: 32

Posts: 493

Joined: 21st Sep 2010

Gallery: 3 images

Ride: BA XR6

Location: sydney
NSW, Australia

how do two dynos give a 25rwkw difference in power, like i know dynos differ but 25rwkw?!?!?!?!,
im not surprised the new boss produces more power then stated, new engine thats supercharged and it only produces 20 more kws then the previous 5.4L, that would just be silly

 

_________________

BA XR6
Performance mods: typhoon + territory pipe with K&N filter, full exhaust, BPR generic tune, lowered, xr6t front brakes, territory rear brakes
Visual mods: 19" rim, lower grill mesh, oil pressure and vacuum gauges, engine bay lighting, foot well lights
some of my main mods

Top
 Profile  
 
 
 Post subject: Re: BOSS 335 GT Runs 12s
Posted: Fri Nov 05, 2010 5:07 pm 
Fordmods Addict
Offline
User avatar

Age: 38

Posts: 7958

Joined: 1st Jun 2005

Gallery: 13 images

Ride: Falcon

Power: 237 rwkw

Location: Melbourne
VIC, Australia

{USERNAME} wrote:
im not surprised the new boss produces more power then stated, new engine thats supercharged and it only produces 20 more kws then the previous 5.4L, that would just be silly

no it's not, use your brain.
you spend big bucks developing a new motor, why would you release it making its maximum possible power? it leaves no scope for further power upgrades in following models.
not to mention there will already be some sour grapes from FG GT buyers, can you imagine if they made it even more powerful?
it'd be a f**k you to everyone who bought an FG GT.

 

_________________

ED XR8 Sprint - S-Trim, V500, 249rwkw
BF MKII F6 Tornado - 237rwkw

Top
 Profile  
 
 
 Post subject: Re: BOSS 335 GT Runs 12s
Posted: Fri Nov 05, 2010 6:11 pm 
Getting Side Ways
Offline

Age: 43

Posts: 9452

Joined: 9th Nov 2004

Gallery: 4 images

Ride: Fordrunner 5.0 Turbo

Location: Wollongong
NSW, Australia

{USERNAME} wrote:
{USERNAME} wrote:
im not surprised the new boss produces more power then stated, new engine thats supercharged and it only produces 20 more kws then the previous 5.4L, that would just be silly

no it's not, use your brain.
you spend big bucks developing a new motor, why would you release it making its maximum possible power? it leaves no scope for further power upgrades in following models.
not to mention there will already be some sour grapes from FG GT buyers, can you imagine if they made it even more powerful?
it'd be a f**k you to everyone who bought an FG GT.


Holden have done that with every model from VS commodore onwards and the dingbat bogans still front up to the dealer every year and a half wanting to trade up to the latest model.
Top
 Profile  
 
 
 Post subject: Re: BOSS 335 GT Runs 12s
Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2010 2:58 am 
Getting Side Ways
Offline
User avatar

Age: 37

Posts: 1507

Joined: 14th Aug 2009

Gallery: 12 images

Ride: BA XT V8

Location: Gosnells, Perth
WA, Australia

i see some people are saying that the car given to these magazine guys was alterd in some way to make it more powerful..
as for another comment one person says that the motor in the GS is completely different to the one in the GT? i thought it was just a few slight differences plus a different tune or somthin?

would ford purposely let some magazine crew that want to test a stock standard car get thier hand on a car that has been modified?... if so it would be a huge mistake.

 

_________________

BA XT V8. Ice Mint. 18" Speedys. XR6T LSD. Full Pacemaker twin 2 1/2inch Stainless Steel system. Custom CAI. Black XR interior with white trimming. Powerbond underdrive kit 25%.
13.65@102mph. 2800 hi-Stall.
230RWKW@5250 rpm. 625NM.

Top
 Profile  
 
 
 Post subject: Re: BOSS 335 GT Runs 12s
Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2010 3:15 am 
Stock as a Rock
Offline
User avatar

Age: 32

Posts: 111

Joined: 24th Sep 2005

Gallery: 1 images

Ride: NA Fairlane

Location: Melbourne
VIC, Australia

regardless of tune, ambient conditions, etc, i think the true point here it the coyote is an animal out of the box, with plenty of scope for improvement.

Of course FPV would understate it's performance.

By the time HSV get onto that, the second gen model will be well into development.

i think what FPV is looking for is a way to make HSV push it's 6.2 further than it should go, causing reliability problems etc, thus causing customer dissatisfaction and a push for a new motor to compete.

at the end of the day this is business, and anyway FPV can test/push HSV past their limits whilst staying inside theirs, the better business will be.

purely and simply i feel that's where it's at now
Top
 Profile  
 
 
 Post subject: Re: BOSS 335 GT Runs 12s
Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 2:06 pm 
Tyre Shredder
Offline
User avatar

Age: 47

Posts: 378

Joined: 3rd Dec 2004

Ride: EB V8

Location: Blue Mountains
NSW, Australia

1. KPM would have no reason to keep the before figure low like the 'claimed' numbers so their tunes look better, would they? :roll:

2. The engines are supposed to loosen up with use, and this one can't have had much use this soon (note the date of the KPM post is 3/11)

3. Auto vs manual (another 10rwkW)

4. It's a GS, not a GT :wink: Which means even the 'poverty-pack' FPV is more powerful than the top-of-the-line HSV currently on sale

 

_________________

Production Editor of Performance Motoring at Express Media Group
shollier@expresspublications.com.au
Phone: (02) 9741 3838 (direct line)

Top
 Profile  
 
 
 Post subject: Re: BOSS 335 GT Runs 12s
Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 3:12 pm 
Getting Side Ways
Offline

Age: 39

Posts: 942

Joined: 23rd Dec 2007

Ride: AU1 XR8

But is it faster than an hsv??
Top
 Profile  
 
 
 Post subject: Re: BOSS 335 GT Runs 12s
Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 3:37 pm 
Getting Side Ways
Offline
User avatar

Age: 35

Posts: 4316

Joined: 30th Oct 2006

Gallery: 18 images

Ride: Envi EF

Location: Grafton
NSW, Australia

{USERNAME} wrote:
1. KPM would have no reason to keep the before figure low like the 'claimed' numbers so their tunes look better, would they? :roll:

2. The engines are supposed to loosen up with use, and this one can't have had much use this soon (note the date of the KPM post is 3/11)

3. Auto vs manual (another 10rwkW)

4. It's a GS, not a GT :wink: Which means even the 'poverty-pack' FPV is more powerful than the top-of-the-line HSV currently on sale


GT and GS motors are the same motor loaded with a different tune. There is meant to be 20kw at the fly between them.
266rwkw seems like a much more believable number from 315fwkw, which indicates that the original GT tested probably was tampered with to produce the big numbers it pulled.

It is more powerful than the current HSVs though, VE GTS's are pulling anywhere between 220-260rwkw stock, pending dyno and trans etc.

It'll be interesting to see what production run GTs and GSs pull on the dyno and at the strip, hopefully shouldnt be too long before numbers start popping up.

 

_________________

>>>{DESCRIPTION}<<<

Top
 Profile  
 
 
 Post subject: Re: BOSS 335 GT Runs 12s
Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 3:40 pm 
Getting Side Ways
Offline

Age: 39

Posts: 942

Joined: 23rd Dec 2007

Ride: AU1 XR8

What if a person takes there manual gt and runs 12.9's all day long.. does it really matter what a dyno say's??
Top
 Profile  
 
 
 Post subject: Re: BOSS 335 GT Runs 12s
Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 4:20 pm 
Fordmods Addict
Offline
User avatar

Age: 38

Posts: 7958

Joined: 1st Jun 2005

Gallery: 13 images

Ride: Falcon

Power: 237 rwkw

Location: Melbourne
VIC, Australia

{USERNAME} wrote:
266rwkw seems like a much more believable number from 315fwkw, which indicates that the original GT tested probably was tampered with to produce the big numbers it pulled.

by your logic it's just as likely that KPM are talking s**t to make their work look more impressive.
or that the GT is under quoted and the GS is over quoted.
or that the KPM car is f**k.
or that the Street Fords GT was f**k.
who knows, who cares.

i look at it this way.
if the GT street fords tested made that power with an FPV 'press car tickle' tune, imagine what they are going to do tune only once they hit the dynos of places like Bluepower and XFT.

RIP F6, you had a hell of a run.

 

_________________

ED XR8 Sprint - S-Trim, V500, 249rwkw
BF MKII F6 Tornado - 237rwkw

Top
 Profile  
 
 
 Post subject: Re: BOSS 335 GT Runs 12s
Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 4:24 pm 
EFI Guru
Offline

Age: 59

Posts: 4359

Joined: 5th Nov 2004

Gallery: 28 images

Ride: 351 Vogue,XH 5.0,'17 5.0 Stang

Location: Perth
WA, Australia

Seems like a no brainer to me. The Coyote makes 412hp normally aspirated so there is no way it could only make 335kw(449hp) with a blower on it!? Unless it was NO pounds boost!
A 50% increase on 412hp for a blower and you have 618hp!
Beats me why they used harrop when Roush has already made everything required!?...no piddly 1.9L blower either! Probably something to do with Ford not wanting anything to do with what FPV wanted?
Ford has done lots of understating HP figures over the years(428CJ is a classic example) so it's not such a surprise. It's just surprising how little they could think we'd believe it was!
Top
 Profile  
 
 
 Post subject: Re: BOSS 335 GT Runs 12s
Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 4:34 pm 
Getting Side Ways
Offline

Age: 43

Posts: 9452

Joined: 9th Nov 2004

Gallery: 4 images

Ride: Fordrunner 5.0 Turbo

Location: Wollongong
NSW, Australia

{USERNAME} wrote:
Seems like a no brainer to me. The Coyote makes 412hp normally aspirated so there is no way it could only make 335kw(449hp) with a blower on it!? Unless it was NO pounds boost!
A 50% increase on 412hp for a blower and you have 618hp!
Beats me why they used harrop when Roush has already made everything required!?...no piddly 1.9L blower either! Probably something to do with Ford not wanting anything to do with what FPV wanted?
Ford has done lots of understating HP figures over the years(428CJ is a classic example) so it's not such a surprise. It's just surprising how little they could think we'd believe it was!


IIRC NA coyote has 11:1 comp. Our blown motor has only 9.2:1 or something along those lines.
Harrop was selected instead of Roush due to some s**t form of local content rules. it doesn't make sense because the GM motors are installed as is from the states, only addition being Holden specific engine covers..

As for the death of the F6, not yet. Not by any stretch of my imagination. There are a few F6's making in excess of the magical 746rwkW at the moment. Once the tuned coyotes surpass this figure then you can make plans for an F6 memorial service. Be interesting to see what the dollar per kW figure would be when nodding these two engines. Looks like the V8 will come out cheaper to mod.
Top
 Profile  
 
 
 Post subject: Re: BOSS 335 GT Runs 12s
Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 4:51 pm 
Fordmods Addict
Offline
User avatar

Age: 38

Posts: 7958

Joined: 1st Jun 2005

Gallery: 13 images

Ride: Falcon

Power: 237 rwkw

Location: Melbourne
VIC, Australia

{USERNAME} wrote:
IIRC NA coyote has 11:1 comp. Our blown motor has only 9.2:1 or something along those lines.
Harrop was selected instead of Roush due to some s**t form of local content rules. it doesn't make sense because the GM motors are installed as is from the states, only addition being Holden specific engine covers..

As for the death of the F6, not yet. Not by any stretch of my imagination. There are a few F6's making in excess of the magical 746rwkW at the moment. Once the tuned coyotes surpass this figure then you can make plans for an F6 memorial service. Be interesting to see what the dollar per kW figure would be when nodding these two engines. Looks like the V8 will come out cheaper to mod.

the local content thing is probably an internal FPV/Ford Aus goal?
at their little launch night the FPV/Prodrive engineers mentioned using the newish Eaton TVS lobes in the blower too, is the Roush a twinscrew or an older style Eaton?

mod motors have been doing over 1000rwhp for years. and backing that dyno figure up with the times to match too :lol:
F6 is well behind the 8 ball in that regard.

 

_________________

ED XR8 Sprint - S-Trim, V500, 249rwkw
BF MKII F6 Tornado - 237rwkw

Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:
Sort by  
 Page 3 of 6  [ 81 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6  Next

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 47 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

 

 

It is currently Thu Dec 26, 2024 12:03 am All times are UTC + 11 hours

 

 

(c)2014 Total Web Solutions Australia - Australian Web Hosting and Domain Names