listen to your self. think about what you are typing. you've been shown your mistake so you come up with some dribble about about not worrying about this that and the other WHAT EVERY THE HELL they are, your just typing random irralivent crap to make your self seem right.

so yeah i'm a good mechanic and for some reason you think that means i should post in this thread. Well oh great one i must apoligise to you for sticking up for my trade. you abviously are not a mechanic and obviuosly have no idea whats it like when you read stuff like this.

too many people think we are only out to rip people off. they think we charge to much money for what we do.
you should try it one day, see what it's like to have to work with so many harmful sustances. used engine oil can ause cancer, asbestos in brake pads. (yes i know it has been fased out but how many cars do you think still have them fitted) brake fluid, deisel feul, exhaust fumes, the list goes on. every day we have to work with this s**t knowing what it can do. the constant back problems %90 of us have.

and what do we get every week for it $550. try living on that. it's almost imposible.

and then to come home and read crap like this, it f**k pathetic. the comment alot you all have made are just plain f**k stupid.

one person says oh they mustn't let the oil drain for long enough that why there was only 4L put in. that has to be one of the stupidest thing i've ever heard. that person can't have ever changed oil befor how much oil do you think is still rushoing out of a sump drain when there is still 1L of oil in there. you burn the hell out of you hand to get the plug back in.



the first post in this thread is just as stupid.
he has a problem with one mechanic and sudenly he say
so one puts 4L in and now most mechanics deemed to have limmited competence.

hmmmm work that one out.




what the f**k is that all about of coares the engine is started to fill the filter properly and the level re checked.

oh and by the way you oil and filter is not the only thing changed in a service. your ENTIRE car gets checked over you be suprised what we find.
things like lose K-frame bolts are not uncommen. tyres so bald you wonder how the car can even be driven in wet conditions. ball joints about to fall apart. in one case i've found a lower control arm on a 626 held on with fencing wire.hhhhm i wonder who did that yeah thats right the owner of the car. needless to say we didn't let the car be driven out of our shop.
it left on a truck.

and then people complain about the price. is $120 for a full serice to much.
$40 for oil 15 for a filter brake fluid top up and hours laybour
seems cheap enough to me.


and to think all of this is over 1L of oil. ever seen a sump with a dent in it?? ever notice that not every car is exactly the same.


my EF take 5.25L with a filter. my mums EB only take 4.5 with a filter.

my dads AU take 5.5L with a filter.

big differences there and when these cars ohave the oil changed they drain for a min of 30mins.

Like I said, stranger things have happened at mechanics.
My brother drove off from an apparent reputable mechanic with wheel nuts loose on his fairmont!!!
I know there is a lot to check during a service, so if the oil level wasn't rechecked, well that could easily happen.
And having mechanical experience myself is why I couldn't let someone charge me a for doing a service.

and alot stranger things have happend out side of the work shop too.
all you have to do is read through these forums and you'll find all sort of bad practises and poor advice.
and most of come from the people who do there onw servicing and repair.
but unknown to them thay are doing more damage, simply because they THINK they know better

Well mechanics are alright most of the time but oil changes are easy as piss although I would recomend having more then 5 litres of oil on hand whilist doing an oil change.

seems different companies measure amounts differently too.....

5L of valvoline would fill my XF to dead on the full mark, but when i switched to fuchs, i had about 1/2L left over.....

WELL you didn't properly read my last post did ya now! I said if the "SHOE FITS WEAR IT!" Originaly all that I was trying to say to you was that you cant take things at face value in life as you always have to,
"expect the unexpected."with what ever job or situation your in. Sure their are situations which are deemed beyond our control. But thats life you live and learn. SO now you have gotten all defensive about this. Because if this didn't worry you or you couldn't give a toss about my comments and if indeed you are a good mechanic your actions would speak louder than words and you wouldn't have to keep posting rebuttals justifying yourself now would ya! Now wheres that other," Shoe "for you to try on

I changed the oil on my new EL XR8 yesterday.
Strange thing happened. I checked the oil level before I drained it, dead on the full mark. I then started the car to get it to operating temp and dropped the oil. Changed the oil filter.
When I refilled it I used 5 1/2 litres to get it to the full mark. When I poured the old oil into the empty oil container I only got 4 litres. Now I know some would be in the oil filter but it doesnt fit 1 1/2 litres in it.

WTF? I usually get the opposite more emptied old oil comes out than what New Oil I need to put back in.

it doesn't worry me at all i know i'll never have any problems with my work because it is up to standard. but thats not to say i dont care about your comments.
and of corse i'm getting defensive have you not noticed what being said though out this thread. it is entirly here for saying how bad mechanics are.
I am a mechanic . go put 2 and 2 together and work it out.

There is nothing unexpected about fixing cars. the parts what ever ones they may be are either going to be serviceable or un-servicable.
so you fix or there is no need too. there is nothing hard about it. you just need to know what you are looking at.

by the way you'll get sick of this befor i do. i've been like this in all previous threads to this nature and i'll be the same in all future ones too

That is not why I started this thread. I started it because the mechanics I take my car to were not doing their job up to my standards. I clarified it later because everyone thought I meant in general most mechanics when in fact I meant the ones I had been too.
And maybe through this thread more people would change their own oil and get more dirty oil out than mechanics would because of their time constraints and therefore their engines would last longer.

It is not here to bash mechanics.

it might not have been you intention but go back and look through what was said. and you'll see thats what it turned in to.

Well that sure sounded like your saying that was my intention. But if you say its not then fair enough.
I obviously am not speaking for everyone else.

NAHHHH.. MATE I never get sick of having a good debate!In fact I am like Pit bull on a bone when I get going. Anyway you can have fun with trying on those Shoes that you say dont fit ya but seem fit to like a glove at the moment. I guess its a bit of a d**k fight in the end aye. Like who's got the biggest and best one here. But in all honesty I am sorry if I am seemed to generalise here. I guess its like in all industries and professions their are going to be, " BAD APPLES " that give a bad name for everyone

s**t, a simple oil change convo leads to ww3

oils ain't oils