I need a brake upgrade for my car, EB Turbo.. I am looking at doing track work, To be realistic what this pack would need is a common size off the shelf pad and rotor, no good putting a setup out that when it comes time to change pads and rotors you are forking out big $$ because the rotor is some obscure part and the pads are rare or discontinued. Needs to be a realistic service price on these items too. Mickyyyy, I know you are not full of s**t, I;ve seen your work. I think the bigger issue is that people don't wanna bolt on a good package thats worth 1/4 the value of their car.

But definatly registering interest here. more keen to see what replacement costs are for throw away items.

Dave

It's not that hard to sort out your own brake upgrade, if you've got a noggin, are handy with some verniers, and know of a good engineering joint or someone with decent sized lathe and a mill.

For a track car, I would do similar to what the Saloon cars run, aka the cebco kit.
Make up a hub (lathe down old E-Series front discs, done), mustang 330mm disc, cut the 'ears' off the spindle for disc clearance, grab a pair of BA twin pot "C5" calipers (cheap as f**k pads), design a mount for the caliper to adapt it to the spindle, get it machined up, then do any further machining to the spindle to make sure the mount can adapt securely.
Only downside is you will need some spacing due to the mustang rotor.
The same can be done with an EL GT rotor, minus the hub cause it's not needed, but they are a tad more expensive AFAIK.

dc_todd

I totally agree with you and i was thinking something along the line of 298mm rotor with BF calipers. Same upgrade as the BA/BF guys are using.

Should be cheap and parts are easy to come by.

You would have to be cheaper than UPC to gain any market share as irrespective of what ppl say most e-series guys will only purchase the cheapest even if at the end of the day the product you offer is the best - $1,500 is too high

$1,000 is the ball park as the UPC kits are selling like hot cakes at that price

And by the time you would get anything going it will be too late as these e-series cars arent getting any younger and most ppl are updating to b-series.

Also if you go a 298mm rotor how much is that of an uprgade on the std rotor size - prob not big enough to gain the WOW factor nor will buyers look at it as worth it

In terms of the composition of the market, I wouldn't compare it to other kits so much as replacing the stock brakes when they are due for discs and pads. This is what i meant by keeping it minimalist.

If punters know they can do a brake upgrade and only spend 4-500 bucks on top of what they would be paying anyway, then you would have a winner. What would the $4-500 entail, any of the parts (on echange) and calipers that would have to be modified to fit bigger discs (for starters) and perhaps two pot callipers.

When I buy my brake upgrade early next year I will be purchasing the 343mm two peice disc 4 piston setup that Race Brakes Sydney are offering.

There's no way I'll even consider UPC, for 1 he doesn't make a kit of the size I'm looking for, 2. it just doesn't seem right, when ever I talk to him the story is different, and he avoids some questions.

I assume the reason why the offset changes is due to the Caliper, you will have to find a Caliper thats not wider than the STD E-Series Cailper.

Obviosuly the B Series Calipers wont help as they are too wide

If you can make a 2 spot kit with std offset for $1,000 that includes a bigger rotor, pads, bearings, caps, braided line then it would be a seller even though 100's of e-series guys use hub adapters for some strange reason they want an e-series offset

UPC kit isent right when it comes to offset and wheel track once AU onwards rims are fitted. they are a few mm out which isent right and a engineer has to engineer the brake kit and wheel track as its been modified.

When i had my 19's which were AU onwards offset with 35mm hub adaptors, the wheel track was exactly the same as factory. So either do the kit in standard offset or +35 and thats way u will still achieve exact same wheel track which a engineer will sign off with no problem.

So you wont fit a kit thats a few mm out in the wheel track but you will fit hub adapters which are illegal........ I dont get that........ whats the big deal?

I wont fit hub adaptors & having a brake kit that ulters a wheel track is illegal as well so u dont win either way. If i were to use RBS brakes id get him to make up a set that take it out to +35 offset and have a full legal kit.

UPC should rectify this issue and sell a product which is legal and right. Do it properly or dont do it at all.

Thats how i do things in life and especially with mechanicals.

Interesting comments about the Mr Spares product. We won an auction of his a few months ago and have just put them on the car.





Pricewise they were hard to beat. In fact, at the time we had no idea there was any alternative. A couple of brake shops had told us that stock size was the only way. A member at TBF sent us a link to the auction. We paid $1036 for the kit which included the uprights, balljoints, rotors, hubs, calipers, adapters, pads, braided lines, bearings, seals and fasteners. Another $70 for cross drilling, $225 for crossdrilled stock spec rear rotors with pads, $80 for rear braided lines and if you minus the $100 deposit for the return of our old uprights we paid only $1300 for a large box of good stuff. The rotors are cast here in Oz with higher grade steel than stock and are actually the casting of a Cobra Mustang rotor. The caliper is a PBR twin pot (OEM VE Commodore )

The performance is great. It took a couple hundred klicks to bed them in and they now stand the car on its nose real well. I'm sure that 4 pot 343s would do it better but for the money these are great. The only thing about them that I dont like is that even with braided lines all round there is a little more pedal throw than I used to have due to the larger volume of the calipers. Its not a problem, just noticeable. An AU2 booster and master cylinder will fix this without big expense.

The effect on offset seems to be the big problem for most people who consider these brakes. We are going to have some billet wheels machined for our EL so that we can have the exact backspace that we want, but in the meantime we are running around with a pair of Territory rims and 225/45/17 tyres and there is no problem at all with upright, caliper or guard clearance. 225/50/17s or 235/45/17s would be no problem also. The extra 20mm that each hub face is wider than stock is a good thing in this case. I have not tried AU offset alloys (+36mm) rims on my car but the effective offset of these brakes (20mm + 6mm E series = 26mm) and the look of the Terrys (which are AU offset I believe) make me think that most would fit. And as far as having an engineer approve this mod, we have been told by a firm in canberra that because we are not narrowing the track they are legal there is no need for an engineers report for NSW rego. Cant be sure about other states. Putting big wheels on that require big brakes for compliance is another issue.

After we had bought these we had a look at the offerings from Sydney Race brakes and particularly drooled over their 4 pot 343s but we are not dissapointed with what we have. Good bang for your buck.

Cheers

Just something to think about - this few mm you talk about..............

What if the UPC MR-Sparers Mustang Rotor Disc Center is wider than a Std E-Series Rotor - thats your few mm right there..........

something to think about

We have all seen the side by side comparison in diameter but no one has measured side by side the center thickness

At the end of the day the hub has to sit 35mm out to be exactly AU onwards offset plain and simple.

This keeps wheel track to exact factory specifications with no troubles.

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/FALCON-AU-BA-BF- ... 240%3A1318

Why carnt we get a cheap upgrade like that onto our E series in standard offset or AU onwards series offset?

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some one make me some big brake with the E series off set ,but im not paying the $2200.00 that race brakes sydney want

Im with u matt, under $1500.00 for 300mm or 322mm twin spot caliper link the link above would be awsome upgrade.

Alot more E series turbo's are coming up and in my oppinion once your car reaches 280rwhp u will need a brake upgrade. So why not support a product that will be good and at a fair price???