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| dannyye |
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Hey Guys i have an EF 94 Fututra on LPG
Its done around 180kms As most ppl probably know this im gonna say it again but when i go to start the car it starts on petrol first and then kicks over to gas Well when i start my car it`ll sit there churning for about 10seconds and then it fires up, blows a whole heap of black smoke and then kicks over to gas and runs fine My main concern is the delay in firing everytime i go to start it and the whole black smoke thing i have a useless mechanic look at it and his excuse is teh whole LPG and long kms excuse And thats why it takes so long to start But i think its something else If someone can give me some insite into ideas that`d be great thanx
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| snap0964 |
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dannyye wrote: Well when i start my car it`ll sit there churning for about 10seconds and then it fires up, blows a whole heap of black smoke and then kicks over to gas and runs fine Does it do this with a hot or cold engine, or just the first start of the day ??
When petrol is selected, does it start the same, or better ???
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| dannyye |
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it does it hot or cold
Sometimes worse when cold Also i starts the same on petrol
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| snap0964 |
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Does it run okay ??, i.e. smooth, or rough at times when driving either on petrol or LPG??
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Yeah Runs ok i`ll give you the run through for as much info as i can
On LPG Runs Fine except on Idle where it`ll drop out realise whats happened and compensate by giving it a shot of gas On Petrol It runs fine on petrol under load but when ideling it hunts dropping from under 1,000 to below 5 in a constant rotation I recenlty had the high pressure seal in the converter fixed Was leaking like crazy lucky im still alive The Hunting was tunned up a bit by a mobile mechanic cuz its hard for me to get to a mechanic where i work But i reckon he didnt do a great job im on Petrol at the moment just found a gas leak in the converter again so i will have the car in tommorow to have the seal or whatever it is fixed Hope this helps with your quest for an answer for me Will drop in to check this forum at work tommorow
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| jim3964 |
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is this a tickford factory system? or aftermaket install
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| snap0964 |
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Well if it's hunting at idle on both fuels:
1. Clean the idle speed solenoid (ISC) - common condition see http://www.fordmods.com/forums/documents.php?doc=23 . 2. Check your spark plugs and leads, clean if necessary. Your ignition system needs to be in good shape, especially for LPG. 3. Check the idle speed and adjust if necessary. 4. Check and clean the crankshaft angle sensor (front of the engine near the harmonic balancer). 5. Check the base timing - it's not adjustable, but it might show something up.
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| dannyye |
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hey Snap
Was reading that forum link you gave me and i did that last night and it made a slight difference but still takes a reasonable amount of time to fire Spark Plug and leads are fine Its an aftermarket system called Sprint Gas wheres the crankshaft angle sensor and how do i check the base timing P.s i know its not the Map Sensor cuz i had that replaced not long agoand it was working fine until i went to my dads up in NSW just over 1000kms up and back and its been starting this thing since then
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dannyye wrote: Was reading that forum link you gave me and i did that last night and it made a slight difference but still takes a reasonable amount of time to fire This will only improve the idle.dannyye wrote: wheres the crankshaft angle sensor Behind the harmonic balancer in front of the engine.
Mate, be wise to get yourself a cheapie shop manual for the car - Ellery's or a Gregory's, at around $40 (less than an hours mechanic labour), they're not expensive - otherwise, it's like doing a job with half the tools, you'll never get a satisfactory result. The troubleshooting sections in them aren't too bad For starting, you need a decent spark, decent cranking speed, decent fuel supply, and decent compression. Hope this helps . . . . .
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hey thanx so much for the Help Snap
Just put the Car in the Shop of my stepfathers mechanic Got a call in bout 1/2 hr he said that i have torn the diaphram for the fuel pressure regualtor so it was getting a heap of fuel running through the tear and also frome the fuel rail Will see when he calls me if its fixed and keep you posted
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Righto mate - good luck. Pretty rare I thought for a fuel reg to go - they can be checked yourself while they're running - pull the vaccy hose, and suck on it, if you taste fuel, the diaphragm is perforated or ruptured.
With dual fuel cars, it's wise to use the petrol system regularly, say 20km on petrol with every tankful of LPG, don't just use it for starting. Otherwise long term you will get issues with the fuel pump, fuel filter, injectors, etc.
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| dannyye |
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Kewl thanx for the info
Iv been driving around o n Fuel for a while now just to get the car used to it again got a quick Question for you Ive gotta change my front disc pads is it done the same way as the rears
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