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That's right, i remember you explaining this problem.
Here's a few thing i have been thinking of to try and avoid removing the gearbox (if possible): -Are the EL shift solenoids themselves exactly the same as the BA items? -If so, if i purchased a BA box internal loom and any associated plugs etc from Ford spares, would that be able to be fitted and configured to work properly? -If none of the above is possible, will the BA valve body and internal loom fit/operate correctly in the EL box along with the EL output shaft sensor? -Or should i just bite the bullet, get the complete BA box from the wrecker, bolt it up, plug it in and get the speed signal from an ABS sensor? Oh also i'm getting the airbag lamp on the instrument cluster lighting up, i know it's probably having a difficult time reading the EL ECU which is not present haha, but i noticed it is flashing a sequence and repeating it. The sequence goes something like: [ON...ON...ON...ON......................................ON...ON..ON..........(repeat)] Anyone know airbag codes of the top of your head? |
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fordman351 wrote: That's right, i remember you explaining this problem.
Here's a few thing i have been thinking of to try and avoid removing the gearbox (if possible): -Are the EL shift solenoids themselves exactly the same as the BA items? -If so, if i purchased a BA box internal loom and any associated plugs etc from Ford spares, would that be able to be fitted and configured to work properly? -If none of the above is possible, will the BA valve body and internal loom fit/operate correctly in the EL box along with the EL output shaft sensor? -Or should i just bite the bullet, get the complete BA box from the wrecker, bolt it up, plug it in and get the speed signal from an ABS sensor? Oh also i'm getting the airbag lamp on the instrument cluster lighting up, i know it's probably having a difficult time reading the EL ECU which is not present haha, but i noticed it is flashing a sequence and repeating it. The sequence goes something like: [ON...ON...ON...ON......................................ON...ON..ON..........(repeat)] Anyone know airbag codes of the top of your head? I will check this out for you on monday. I know tx looms are a good couple of hundred bucks and the solenoid connectors on the BA are different so you would need these to match the loom connectors, solenoids would not be cheap. Might be just as cheap to get the other box for $1000.00 I will check this code out on monday as well. Barry. |
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| bpt motorsport |
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Hey Matt, The ABS might be coming on because of the drivers front wheel speed sensor not connected.
I noticed that this was not connected or missing, the plug is located near the HEGO wiring connector. Thought you must have revoved this for some reason or another when doing the engine swap. This can cause the fault lamp to show. Barry. |
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Oh okay, that's strange, i don't remember touching anything like that, i must have unplugged it by accedent. I'll have a look-see in the morning. But it's not the ABS light that is illuminated, it's the airbag lamp flashing that sequence.
If i replace the EL transmission with the BA box, i should be able to take the new inhibitor switch off that you had installed and put it on the BA box. Will taking the speed signal from the ABS sensor be okay? Or would replacing the BA extension housing for the EL extension housing and sensor be more suitable? Whatever is easiest to do, you name it haha, and i'll bring it back up to have the electrical side of things sorted. |
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Matt I know you want a quick fix for the gear box problem but, have you not considered the 6spd ZF auto? (obviously saving the cash and doing it properrly) I'm assuming that should be plug and play with you wiring loom / ecu but I am probably wrong.
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fordman351 wrote: Oh okay, that's strange, i don't remember touching anything like that, i must have unplugged it by accedent. I'll have a look-see in the morning. But it's not the ABS light that is illuminated, it's the airbag lamp flashing that sequence.
If i replace the EL transmission with the BA box, i should be able to take the new inhibitor switch off that you had installed and put it on the BA box. Will taking the speed signal from the ABS sensor be okay? Or would replacing the BA extension housing for the EL extension housing and sensor be more suitable? Whatever is easiest to do, you name it haha, and i'll bring it back up to have the electrical side of things sorted. You can't take the speed signal from the ABS sensor. BA's take it from the ABS module which are obviously connected to the ABS sensors. So no, you can't do that. I'd say EL extension housing/output shaft would be easier, but i'd prefer to just get an abs-less ba box.. or a manual |
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Busso wrote: Matt I know you want a quick fix for the gear box problem but, have you not considered the 6spd ZF auto? (obviously saving the cash and doing it properrly) I'm assuming that should be plug and play with you wiring loom / ecu but I am probably wrong.
AFAIK, it will not bolt up without lots of mods - physically and electrically. |
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The ZF six speed auto could be a possibility, but then what's the cost for one of those? I would imagine it would be a figure close to the national debt. Then a new transmission crossmember would have to be fabricated, then there's the problem of wiring.
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If it's been suggested already, sorry, but i think a manual conversion would be better than trying to make an auto work with a different ecu, or as you have said a BA auto. I expect they would be pretty common, so they should be fairly cheap. Having said that a manual might be more expensive, but would save you plenty of time electrically, and money in the long run.
Good luck with whatever you choose. Dont you just love engine conversions, and i thought it might be easy being all Ford gear......dame electronics....lol Cheers  Daz
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glenneaux wrote: fordman351 wrote: Oh okay, that's strange, i don't remember touching anything like that, i must have unplugged it by accedent. I'll have a look-see in the morning. But it's not the ABS light that is illuminated, it's the airbag lamp flashing that sequence. If i replace the EL transmission with the BA box, i should be able to take the new inhibitor switch off that you had installed and put it on the BA box. Will taking the speed signal from the ABS sensor be okay? Or would replacing the BA extension housing for the EL extension housing and sensor be more suitable? Whatever is easiest to do, you name it haha, and i'll bring it back up to have the electrical side of things sorted. You can't take the speed signal from the ABS sensor. BA's take it from the ABS module which are obviously connected to the ABS sensors. So no, you can't do that. I'd say EL extension housing/output shaft would be easier, but i'd prefer to just get an abs-less ba box.. or a manual Yes it is possible from the ABS wheel speed senor directly by spliting the output of the senor into a frequency divider. The BA PCM will still use the square wave output from the divider as it does when we configure the PCM to use extension housing hall effect device. Barry. |
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bpt motorsport wrote: glenneaux wrote: fordman351 wrote: Oh okay, that's strange, i don't remember touching anything like that, i must have unplugged it by accedent. I'll have a look-see in the morning. But it's not the ABS light that is illuminated, it's the airbag lamp flashing that sequence. If i replace the EL transmission with the BA box, i should be able to take the new inhibitor switch off that you had installed and put it on the BA box. Will taking the speed signal from the ABS sensor be okay? Or would replacing the BA extension housing for the EL extension housing and sensor be more suitable? Whatever is easiest to do, you name it haha, and i'll bring it back up to have the electrical side of things sorted. You can't take the speed signal from the ABS sensor. BA's take it from the ABS module which are obviously connected to the ABS sensors. So no, you can't do that. I'd say EL extension housing/output shaft would be easier, but i'd prefer to just get an abs-less ba box.. or a manual Yes it is possible from the ABS wheel speed senor directly by spliting the output of the senor into a frequency divider. The BA PCM will still use the square wave output from the divider as it does when we configure the PCM to use extension housing hall effect device. Barry. frequency divider? According to the wiring diagram the BA's without ABS have the speedo sender in the transmission directly wired to the ECU. Why would you need something in between? |
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If the speed signal can be taken from the ABS sensor then i'll just smash in the BA transmission as is and plug it in.
Once i get that done, i'll bring it back to you Barry to finish off, asuming you don't mind working on it again. |
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maybe it's T5 time fordman??
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