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 Post subject: Re: RD's EDL Hybrid Wagon
Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 10:31 am 
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im sorry but what qualifications do you have to say that im a smart a*** 19 year old have you everdone any research on airbags as part of my corse is a one week training on them there fireing systems aswell as repacking them after ten years it was just some advise to him no need to get snappy

 

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 Post subject: Re: RD's EDL Hybrid Wagon
Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 10:37 am 
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but your having a go at him for moving a sensor, when the car you drive doesn't even have airbags, so if they were soo good you would be driving a car with one

the difference between an EB and EL is pretty much airbags, there are plenty of cars around who have had the airbags removed

maybe if you dont want people back chatting you, you should look at a nicer way to inform people about it not being a smart a** about it

people fit lokkas and spooled diffs, and non complianced seats and boost and below legal tyres, i somehow thing this is more dangerous then moving an airbag sensor

 

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 Post subject: Re: RD's EDL Hybrid Wagon
Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 10:38 am 
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Now, now boys..... :)

I am going to be removing the airbag system anyway, haven't been able to mount the front sensor to my satisfaction. I just have to get a steering wheel cover for when I remove the drivers airbag......

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 Post subject: Re: RD's EDL Hybrid Wagon
Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 10:44 am 
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thank you for understanding it was just some saftey advise wouldnt want to see a fellow ford moder hurt

 

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 Post subject: Re: RD's EDL Hybrid Wagon
Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 11:12 am 
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thank you for understanding it was just some saftey advise wouldnt want to see a fellow ford moder hurt

My grand plans of putting an airbag system was thwarted a little while ago, mainly by the PITB front sensor mount. But talk of crumple zones back then (and now) added to the decision to pull them out altogether. More bits to sell I suppose :)

 

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 Post subject: Re: RD's EDL Hybrid Wagon
Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 11:23 am 
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also it not a matter of his car has airbags and mine doesnt air bags are good but if it fires too late it can snap you neck or be like hiting a brick wall as the bag fires so quickly that by the time you start moving from the inertia the bag has already started to deflete thus giving its cusioning effect imagine if your head started moving towards the bag then it went off they go off that quick it will easly snap your neck because it pushes on your head i was not being a smart a*** i was just expersing concern

 

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 Post subject: Re: RD's EDL Hybrid Wagon
Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 11:56 am 
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also it not a matter of his car has airbags and mine doesnt air bags are good but if it fires too late it can snap you neck or be like hiting a brick wall as the bag fires so quickly that by the time you start moving from the inertia the bag has already started to deflete thus giving its cusioning effect imagine if your head started moving towards the bag then it went off they go off that quick it will easly snap your neck because it pushes on your head i was not being a smart a*** i was just expersing concern

Hey bud, no probs. I heard a similar thing from another user so was going to remove them anyway. Your info cemented the decision.

As an aside, I think the post that generated all of this was about rear suspension airbags.... but that is another story :)

 

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 Post subject: Re: RD's EDL Hybrid Wagon
Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 2:19 am 
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glad i could be of asistance sorry if it came off as rude / smart a***

 

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 Post subject: Re: RD's EDL Hybrid Wagon
Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 3:10 am 
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Not sure I understand.. the basic shells of the EA - EL are the same, only radiator support and a couple of other cosmetic differences.. wouldn't the crumple zones be nearly idenical?

If you think about it, the bag is supposed to go off in time to arrest your forward momentium..... so unless you screw it up really badly and it doesn't go off till after you come to a stop... how could it be worse than not having one? Put it another way.. I probably weigh a good bit more than you.. in a crash my top half would be moving with more force and speed than yours as a result... but an air bag can only explode at one speed and it doesn't know my (or your) weight.. so how can it know at what point to be inflated for both of us? As far as the air bag is concerned. it's job is to go off as close as possible to the impact time to make sure it's there when the persons head is going to need it.. they can't time it to the microsecond simply because they can't account for the differences required by people's weight (and height would make a big difference to the timing too)

As for the front bar and rebar which are both plastic.. neither would cause the driver to be thown forward hard upon collision.. the serious kenetic engery problem would occur when the front metal impacted... and thats when the airbag should go off and if you had your air bag sensor there... that is when it would go off.

Put another way.. I can buy a legal bull bar for my EL that completely replaces the front bumper with metal.... and that is legal with no warnings about air bag mistimings....

don't think it's quite as sensitive as they would have you believe.
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 Post subject: Re: RD's EDL Hybrid Wagon
Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 12:42 pm 
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the are that sensitive if you look on the bull bar the brackets on it have crumple zones built into them the air bar sensors go off via inertial deceleration the bag inflates imediatly and as i said deflates partialy before you hit it weight does not come into it however what you said about height is there are reported cases of short people being injured in non adjustable steering wheel cars one reason they were put in and yes i know the chasie on the car looks simmalar but they are differnt just dont appear to be

 

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 Post subject: Re: RD's EDL Hybrid Wagon
Posted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 10:09 pm 
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So mate how is the wagon going,

this would have to be one of the best on fordmods,

Well done

This should be made a sticky as its such a good read

 

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 Post subject: Re: RD's EDL Hybrid Wagon
Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 12:01 pm 
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So mate how is the wagon going,

this would have to be one of the best on fordmods,

Well done

This should be made a sticky as its such a good read

Thanks matey

Appreciate the comments. The ole bus is still ticking along, a bit to do to it but time is my enemy. So many things outside cars to do I just haven't had time!

Really have to get it on LPG soon though, the fuel bills are killing me and there is no way I am going to drive one of those small cars!!! :)

Cheers
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 Post subject: Re: RD's EDL Hybrid Wagon
Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 11:44 pm 
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Really have to get it on LPG soon though, the fuel bills are killing me and there is no way I am going to drive one of those small cars!!! :)
Well you've driven an EL wagon with LPG injection + 5sp manual, so that should be incentive enough . . . .

 

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 Post subject: Re: RD's EDL Hybrid Wagon
Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 12:09 am 
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Really have to get it on LPG soon though, the fuel bills are killing me and there is no way I am going to drive one of those small cars!!! :)
Well you've driven an EL wagon with LPG injection + 5sp manual, so that should be incentive enough . . . .

Ahhh, yup - and damn nice it was too! :)

$$$ are restricting the purchase of LPG injection.....but I have got a start on the 5 speed bit. Just need the main part plus a pedal box/gearshift and I am set. Mr BenJ delivered some parts not so long ago that I now have sitting in my garage. I do have a handle on an EL box, just gathering funds for it :D

 

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 Post subject: Re: RD's EDL Hybrid Wagon
Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 12:19 am 
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Yep, so I've heard from your supplier . . .
There are some LPG parts sitting here to waiting for a new home eventually - converter, mixer, etc.

Me thinks you may need a refresher soon re the drive of that said car.

 

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