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Age: 43 Posts: 78 Joined: 15th Jun 2010 Ride: XD Fairmont Ghia 351 Location: Blue Mountains |
From what i have learnt it is the CC's that they work off.
How ever there could be a problem dur to the fact the E series was not released with a 5.8. (ie) WB comercial ute & p/van can not be blue slipped for a 5.0lt with out an engineer report because they only ever came out of the factory with 4.2litre. Interesting. How ever for pick slip inspection it can not be knocked back for rego as long as it passes all "saftey" inspection standards (ie) no leaks, secure mounts, & full exhaust. A pink slip inspector can not report that engine may not be factory, but not reject for rego on capacity alone. |
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| WARMACHINE |
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I suppose a talk with the rta would shed some more light on the situation...
If the 15% increase in cc's allows a 351w efi in an e series you might see one fitted to my car too... |
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Well, I spoke to the RTA office at Penrith yesterday, and he stated that he felt if the CC are correct as outlined in my paperwork, then it will not need an engineers cert. He did however state that the Emissions for a commercial vehicle and a passenger vehicle may be different. It seems that i need to speak to an engineer about emmissions, and that should be that. Where i got lucky was by using a 96 roller block 351. These were available here in Aus, but i dont know when they no longer became available.
On a good note, I am free to book the car in for an emissions test at the Penrith facility and it is free. If it fails its not a defect, and i am allowed to get it within spec. So now to talk to an Engineer. Brett
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{USERNAME} wrote: Another small, but very significant update. After discussion with some people in the know. It now appears that the NSW RTA allowing a 15% increase in capacity will work in my favour. The Terrorist currently has 5000cc listed on its papers, so therefore a 351 can be fitted using the RTA formula without an engineer. It is merely a substitute engine. Things are looking up. Brett Not to be a stick in mud, but starting with a 302 cubes - or 5000cc - and increasing by 15% gets you up to 347 cubes - or 5750cc. If the inspector / whoever is pedantic you may have issues. If they do a capacity/displacement check, tell them it had to be bored and honed to make it servicable. I had similar issues when fitting a 253 to a toyota crown. The max limit was 4100cc / 250 cubes. I argued that a 253 was within the limits of a 250 that has been bored 0.040", etc, etc, blah, blah, blah. After proving to them that a 250 wouldnt fit without a lot of buggering around, I was finally approved to do it. It took 3 months of letters, phone calls, several inspections, and an emmisions test, but I got my way.  And it was a 308 the whole time! Glad they never "pumped" it. 
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The capacity listed for the 351W is 5766. So i am very very close. But depending on who you speak to it could be 5750. I have the owners manual for my old ESP, and it was listed as 5750cc for the 351C in it.
Weird. Brett
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Yeah, that's kinda how I got around the 253 thing. It was listed as 4200, but in reality it was more like 4140 or something. So I argued it was only 40cc bigger. I didnt tell them the 4100 is more like 4050, but what they didnt know didnt hurt me.
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Age: 55 Posts: 451 Joined: 3rd Jan 2005 Ride: AU XR6 with BF Turbo engine Location: Sydney |
5765.94cc to be exact for a 5.8 and 4942.23 for a 5.0. Therefore 4942.23*1.15=5683.56cc
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| TerroristGHIA |
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I know Shane, but the rego label states 5000cc, and 15% is 750cc, so there for its 5750cc's
All will be revealed when i speak to the engineer. Brett
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For those wondering what the RTA's stance is, see page 2;
http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/registration/ ... v_2007.pdf As Brett said earlier, a 15% capacity increase is ok, so it just needs to pass emissions compliance. Now don't think in absolutes people, since the papers say 5000cc that's the starting point. That makes 5750cc the limit, and an offset-ground crank with a 3.49in stroke (that's a reduction of just 10 thou, you wouldn't even need longer rods or taller pistons, just deck the block another 5 thou  ) combined with a standard 4in bore size = 5749cc. WIN!
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Just got off the phone to an engineer. The motor being an import is no real issue. The fact it didnt come with heads/cam/intake is. The US standard is acceptable for Australia, but due to the fact it will be running an Aussie ECU, Aussie heads/cam/intake means that it will need an engineers cert. The motor is modified, because of the above. Had it been a complete motor with factory matching ECU, it wouldnt even need an emissions test. Something to think about for those doing something similar for the future. The Engineer will also be looking at the brake upgrade currently fitted, as well as the track difference due to the AU offset wheels and diff. This car will be 100% legal, but it will cost me a little more than i initially thought.
Brett
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That being the case the report may as well state that it's a 427ci effort right from the outset (or would that just cause more complications?)
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I will know more on the 25th of October. That is my date with the engineer.
Brett
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Are you seeing my usual guy dude or someone else?
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I believe that the front track can be modified up to 5mm but the rear can be whatever so to measure this all u need to do is, measure the distance between both tyres from the middle and compare to standard falcon.
Engine capacity will depend on factory weight so get max cubes singed off once u get ur emissions report, and use standard cam with 200cpsi magna flow cats as there approved.
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{USERNAME} wrote: Are you seeing my usual guy dude or someone else? Your dude. Spoke to him this afternoon. He is leaving for WA for 2 weeks, back on the 25th. Exhaust will be 400cpsi cats asa minimum. I just need to know what the emmissions should be and we can go from there. Brett
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