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On second thoughts, perhaps someone with a factory EF/EL arrangement can add pics to? Just for the sake of comparison?
Cheers, Tim
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Loving the look of those mags mate ! They definitely set the car off !
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the ac pipe needs a really carfull bend... there are a few methods of doing it but remember, the ac pipe will kink very very easy...
but if your staying with the 3 belt set up, you need to use the eb ac pump, and this sits at the right ang so there should be no need to bend the pipe???? |
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TimmyA wrote: Ok question... Just trial fitted the lower EF/EL airbox and due to being wider it sits really hard up against the large AC pipe that drops down to the compressor... Does someone have a fix for this? Can I retrofit a later pipe? This section unbolts just before it ducks around behind the bumper, unbolts off the compressor and off the TX valve... I used an old fencing stake and using some appropriate leverage bent the metal part of the A/C pipe towards the engine until I had enough clearance. TimmyA wrote: Issue being I am going to stay with the three belt set up because it makes more sense to me... The EF/EL tensioner system is a POS... Thing wears out and goes C**k eyed... And this way if I break a belt I have a half a hope of getting somewhere still (depending which belt obviously)... So pretty sure the compressor bolts on lower on the three belt arrangement? Would be nice to fit an AU system onto the car Due to them being a better system deleting the TX valve and using that orifice... Still may be possible to mount the compressor higher and use a slightly longer belt as long it doesn't go too high and cause the bottom of the belt to hit the tensioner... Not going to happen without some serious effort. You would need to fabricate your own compressor mount, which I do believe you have the skills to achieve, based on your previous work. Cheers BenJ
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Have you scored a BBM upper yet?
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thanks ben...
The ef/el compressor bolt onto the ed block? Is there physically different mounting points on the block, of is it all just in that alloy adaptor bracket they run? I'd have thought the ef/el adaptor bracket would bolt up and the ef/el compressor? It is just the au one that varies is it? Old man tells the au air con wasn't overly terrific so i may stay with the tx valve based on that and option toward an ef/el compressor if possible... Depends whether it lines with that first belt groove on the balancer... Ef/el may be offset different... Swc... Yeah got onto one last night... thank anyway mate! Cheers, tim
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Yes, the EF/EL compress will bolt up, but it won't work with the 3 belt setup. The snout is a different length compared to the EB one.
IMO the serpentine belt arrangement is FAR superior compared to the 3 belt one and is well worth the effort converting. Cheers BenJ
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if your keeping the 3 belt set up, you need to use the eb ac pump..
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why do you guys favour it? I can think of a couple of good reasons to stay from it... No real good reasons to justify buying the bits and pieces to convert the donk... Like troy said... Involves changing every component on the front of the motor... Plus i need to try and find the extra pulley to miss the vct which old mate who had the head didn't have... And whatever else it needs to mount too... All sounds way too hard...
Cheers, tim
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the main reason is less drag on the engine, you will be supprised how strong the serpentine belts are. if you were to fit a serpentine set up with a new tensioner you will get atleast 150,000kms out of it..
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not meaning to sound like i'm trying to start an arguement... But simply trying to understand the science behind it here...
How do you figure? And ef/el has 7 pulleys... 8 on a vct... And mine has 7 pulleys... Just can't see how it causes less drag? Similar amount of pulley coverage between models... It sounds like the idea is chasing a third of a kw out of it?  It was like changing from an 3.27 to a 3.45 noticed no real change... Other than the lsd that is... And even going from hub to thermos... It was like it gave the car twice the giddey up... I just see how trying to track down all the components for it... All the cost of and a day converting it is going to make the car that much different? As i mentioned... Not really seeing the big plus for it yet... Must be just me though... Everyone is doing it... To me it just seemed like a cost saving exercise for ford... On the production line it was just one belt... And old mate didn't need to check the tension of it... Put it on and viola! Tensioned by spring...
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no argument just opinions.
 ..its not so much the amount of pullies its the belts.. eg, a v groove belt has alot of drag and more tension is required to give the same amount of grip as a serp belt.. imo a serpentine belt would have as much drag as one single v belt..i dont think there is any power to gain, only a poofteenth of fuel economy to be had.. but either way i would use what i have.. if you already have the 3 belt set up and are happy with it, by all means stick with it.. the only thing is you need to keep the eb ac pump to match... ps.. i also forgot you were only using the vct head not the whole au engine... |
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thats ok
 don't like upsetting the apple cart...Yeah makes sense... Can't comment on the tension and sorts... But i will agree that the tensioner doesn't seem to have that much tension when you grab a belt and yank it... The ed isn't all bad i suppose... A p5 i think serp belt on the ac and a p4 or 3 on the water pump and alt... Only the single v on the p/steer pump... Makes sense to use what you have... Too much hassle to convert from vice to versa... If an entire au motor went in i'd run with that... I'd guessed you'd forgotten by one of the previous posts because i'm reading it going what the?  thanks for the help lads...
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Yeah probably right now thanks buddy... Mid-morning brain snap... All silly ideas have been killed off now... Troy and & Ben have been big helps...
Should be getting very close to being sorted for this VCT install... And just personally... Little bit excited... Hope it rolls out well... Going to have a crack at wiring the rpm switch in for the VCT... Set at 3000rpm as per Troy's recommendations... And hook up the BBM solenoid off the computer tomorrow... Get the wiring sorted and functioning... One less thing to do on the day of big change... Just waiting to see if I can get the rocker cover gasket aftermarket or not and if not I've got a stack of bits to get George to forward me on... Still need the top rad hose... And other than that I have at least enough to get me going... Would really love one of those difillipo intake systems one day... But the price tag was just a little hard to justify at this stage... Thanks lads! Big big credit to you guys thus far... Cheers, Tim
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PS
Slowly getting there with this contents page business... BenJ must love doing his... Be alright if you kept on top of it... But otherwise, starting from scratch, what a task... On the down side... Crap I've written some dribble on here... On the plus side... Gee wiz I've done some serious modding... Some of them I'd even forgotten about... Not a bad read if I do say so myself... One thing that I have noticed... Gee wiz I miss a lot of words out when I type... Mind Is faster than the hands and onto the next sentence already... Terrible spelling/grammar... Thanks for staying with me thus far!
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